Hey Grady, how did you do at 14.1 at the DC?C

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NYC cue dude

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Just a tidbit of info for those rallying to support Grady's inclusion to the World Straight Pool Championships.

Although I was not there, I heard that Grady bought into the straight pool challenge 3 TIMES at the DCC. Being the elite caliber player that he is today, he had a tremendous high run at the event, (also probably a personal best of recent times), of 7 BALLS.

Clearly with that strong showing he should get a coveted invitaiton to this world class event, right?

Furthermore, with regards to Mike Zuglan, I was under the impression he DID receive an invitation. I was told early on (in September) that he was #27 on the list and would be receiving an invitation. I do know some invitations were sent out, but I am not certain if all of them have been delivered. Perhaps he will be receiving one in the near future.

He has my vote, but again, in this case, I have no influence.

BTW, more power to Grady hosting his own 14.1 event. The original point of my participation was to bring this very special discipline of pool back to the forefront. I suppose with all the attention and perhaps an additional high caliber event, I managed to succeed, again.

Regards

Randy
 
NYC cue dude said:
Although I was not there, I heard that Grady bought into the straight pool challenge 3 TIMES at the DCC. Being the elite caliber player that he is today, he had a tremendous high run at the event, (also probably a personal best of recent times), of 7 BALLS.

Clearly with that strong showing he should get a coveted invitaiton to this world class event, right?
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I'm not thrilled with the way this thread has gone. I am of the opinion that a guy who has come in 2nd at a World 14.1 Championship, has won the New England 14.1 Championship, and finished in the top 6 in the truly open Amsterdam 14.1 tournament just a few years ago should be included. I wonder if he had come in top four, would he still have been excluded? The US "Open" 14.1 was held the next year or the year after, and he wasn't included then. That, IMO, was a disgrace.


Of course, if whoever owns the ball can make the ground rules.

Fred
 
You might have a point about Grady not being the player he used to be but the man is still one of the best 14.1 players of the last 30 years. Watch him play Dallas West and go 102 and out in the 2nd inning and you might respect his game a bit. He also promoted that event, I believe.

He also use to do a lot of exhibitions around the country and in the majority of them, he ran 100 balls on strange equipment with crowds watching. That's pretty damn strong.

I don't know that I agree with the way Grady is trying to make his point about CW, but I really don't feel that criticism of his game is warranted. I heard Ralf Souqet also bought in and his first two runs were 2 and 6, or something similar.

Grady could probably tone down his anger when posting here, and I don't think calling out other pros will help him personally in the end, but he's paid his dues in the pool world so he's entitled to his opinion.
 
sarcasm etc.

someone said,"you might have a point about grady's game of late"

Which is precisely the point. Grady came on this board demanding an ivitation to an event that today he would probably not excel at. should we pay homage to legends of the past at the high cost of debasing today's game?

I would have never called out his recent performance had Grady not made this personal.

True Grady was a GREAT pool player. Some say he was the best 1 pocket player and one of the best 14.1 player when at his prime. Does that still hold true today? Ask your self that in all honesty.

I think everyone should try to differentiate the stone cold fact that Grady's game is nowhere near world caliber. It doesn't mean it wasn't once, just no longer.
 
NYC cue dude said:
should we pay homage to legends of the past at the high cost of debasing today's game?
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Kevin Trudeau didn't have a problem with this. I thought it was one of his more brilliant moves.

I think everyone should try to differentiate the stone cold fact that Grady's game is nowhere near world caliber. It doesn't mean it wasn't once, just no longer.
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Surely there are several names on the invited list that the same can be said.

Fred
 
If I were to host a tourney, I would welcome all players of Grady's fame just for the excitement. It is CW's option to invite whomever he sees fit, but it certainly would be a much richer (at least in pool legends and lore) with some of the earlier generations there.

And Grady is correct that it can't be called the World Championship if the world is not invited.
 
A lot of younger guys also had a problem at the DCC... the tables are very tight. Low runs were rampant upon all that played, not just Grady.

Very few pool rooms have the tight equipment and none of these guys really get to play on it until an event like Derby that has them.
 
SOrry to go a little off topic but....

Does anyone know how tight they really were, because I've been playing at this place in Cali that I measured the corner pockets at 3 7/8".....

Well me and a strong A player buddy of mine were playing there and I start saying "on any other table...." when I would miss. Now we're just screwing around... and this regular that's there says," everyone that comes in here complains about how tight the tables are and I don't see it, once you get used to them, they're easy"

So I say, "Ok, if they're so easy I'll give you the ghost for anything you want to play for"

Of course he starts backtracking, "So I say that I'll give the ghost and all he has to do is beat the ghost one out of three times....

Still doesn't take it. His excuse was that even the best pros only break and run out 1 out of three times. I said playing the ghost isn't breaking and running out..... Still doesn't take it.

So I say to buddy after his next break to take ball in hand and play the ghost, and I whisper to play seriously though.....

He beats the ghost breaks again with an open shot on the one and proceeds to run out again, he breaks I give him BIH and he runs out a third time.

Then I take BIH and beat the ghost myself.

The guy didn't say another word about our complaining that the pockets were too tight that night.


To go on topic for a sec. That's pretty messed up talking about his runs. I've had times where I cac't run more than a few balls at 14.1 and it doesn't mean I don't run higher most of the time though. I'm not necesarily saying that a world class player wouldn't just that I wouldn't go off of that to determine whether someone is no longer capable of playing at a world class level.

The balls roll funny for everyone.
 
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NYC cue dude said:
Just a tidbit of info for those rallying to support Grady's inclusion to the World Straight Pool Championships.

Although I was not there, I heard that Grady bought into the straight pool challenge 3 TIMES at the DCC. Being the elite caliber player that he is today, he had a tremendous high run at the event, (also probably a personal best of recent times), of 7 BALLS.

Clearly with that strong showing he should get a coveted invitaiton to this world class event, right?

Furthermore, with regards to Mike Zuglan, I was under the impression he DID receive an invitation. I was told early on (in September) that he was #27 on the list and would be receiving an invitation. I do know some invitations were sent out, but I am not certain if all of them have been delivered. Perhaps he will be receiving one in the near future.

He has my vote, but again, in this case, I have no influence.

BTW, more power to Grady hosting his own 14.1 event. The original point of my participation was to bring this very special discipline of pool back to the forefront. I suppose with all the attention and perhaps an additional high caliber event, I managed to succeed, again.

Regards

Randy
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NYC CUE DUDE,

I have no intention of getting into a fight, and I apoligize in advance if I'm out of line here, but how well did you fair???


(Although I was not there, I heard that Grady bought into the straight pool challenge 3 TIMES at the DCC. Being the elite caliber player that he is today, he had a tremendous high run at the event, (also probably a personal best of recent times), of 7 BALLS.)


I mean it takes alot of balls to step up to a challange, and Grady did, 3 Times. Win loose or draw, the man has heart. I know I wouldn't of had the nuts to do that 3 times.

I think it is great that he kept at it like that, he was one of the greats, and still has oodles, and oodles of knowledge to share with the world. I think he desurves respect.

As for the ranting, that is an issue on to itself. And if someone has a problem with it, that is what they should address, not the mans performacne at the DCC.

Just my thoughts.

Pete
 
Pete said:
I mean it takes alot of balls to step up to a challange, and Grady did, 3 Times. Win loose or draw, the man has heart. I know I wouldn't of had the nuts to do that 3 times.

Pete
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Numerous people, including John "Mr. 400" Schmidt bought back in NUMEROUS times. I also know that the winner of that event bought back in also. As best I understood the situation, the buy backs by all involved were due to the tough tables. Oh yeah, Allen Hopkins bought back in too.
 
I bought in three times and qualified for one try in the finals, where I only ran one rack. JR Gay spent a couple of thousand dollars and had 5 tries, I think. I would have tried more but $50 a shot was a little high, as I haven't been practicing 14.1.
Why cuedude would be so disrespecful, I don't know. "Probably a personal best, of recent times, of 7 balls."Everyone knows I like a sociable wager. Tell you what:I'll take two days and bet I run 125 balls, to the tune of say $20,000.What I have always really respected is a man who backs his opinions with a big bet.
 
Timberly said:
Numerous people, including John "Mr. 400" Schmidt bought back in NUMEROUS times. I also know that the winner of that event bought back in also. As best I understood the situation, the buy backs by all involved were due to the tough tables. Oh yeah, Allen Hopkins bought back in too.
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Well, the winner of the finals, Engert (128), entered only once. He had two tries in the finals for his 42 in the prelims, and had a 56 with a nasty scratch on his first try in the finals. Danny Harriman had a 66 in his first inning, and the 139 in his second inning on his first entry in the prelims. He did buy back, but he didn't do any better on subsequent entries. He had a 75 in the finals.

It's hard to step up at 14.1 and run five racks. It takes some amount of luck. In his 130, Alex Pagulayan kissed in a missed ball somewhere in the middle of the run. (He had an 89-degree back-cut down the long rail, and the cue ball came back across the table and knocked the six ball in.)
 
Grady said:
I bought in three times and qualified for one try in the finals, where I only ran one rack. JR Gay spent a couple of thousand dollars and had 5 tries, I think. I would have tried more but $50 a shot was a little high, as I haven't been practicing 14.1.
Why cuedude would be so disrespecful, I don't know. "Probably a personal best, of recent times, of 7 balls."Everyone knows I like a sociable wager. Tell you what:I'll take two days and bet I run 125 balls, to the tune of say $20,000.What I have always really respected is a man who backs his opinions with a big bet.
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AHEM!........Now that's some serious woofing right there!.....My rent money is on Grady....

Gerry
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's hard to step up at 14.1 and run five racks. It takes some amount of luck.
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Exactly, which is why I don't think Randy should've ever tried to make an issue of Grady having to buy back.
 
What happened to NYC Cue Dude? He sure was talking sh*t earlier but seems to have disappeared....
<crickets chirping>
 
first you inanely put down Grady then you pump yourself up by talking about your "success" Grady has always stood on his own abilities not hanging off the backs of other pros like Tony R or George San Souci He plays and bets his own money on his game. You dont interest me in the game you disgust me with your attack on this professional

Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus were not top players when they retired but people loved to see their game. So was Navratilova. Mike Tyson is done but many would rather see him fight than any world champion. Who is the heavyweight champ of the world by the way? Bet most of the American public dont know. Ali, Foreman, Holmes, all fought too late. Charlie Williams has never proved himself as world caliber in 14.1. So stop your bull . Grady just wants an opportunity to compete in a sport he not only loves but has made a big, big contribution to.

And in this way I thank you Grady. I dont know any other pro's putting on the kind of events that you do You have done so much. And in this I say walk away with dignity They dont want YOU Whatever reason it is They dont want YOU This was told to me after I was not promoted when I thought I had the most experience and certainly qualification

Like hundreds of union workers who have put in many years for Ford theyve just been let go. Like many who have lost their pensions who built a company but end up with nothing. Like the great Chita Rivera who was not cast in the film version of West Side Story, which she created and did for many years on Broadway, while Rita Moreno got the fame and money. Hey They dont want you. What can you do? Nothing but walk away and create your own opportunities like you have done in the past. Knowing that you are one of the tops in your field.
 
Grady said:
I bought in three times and qualified for one try in the finals, where I only ran one rack. JR Gay spent a couple of thousand dollars and had 5 tries, I think. I would have tried more but $50 a shot was a little high, as I haven't been practicing 14.1.
Why cuedude would be so disrespecful, I don't know. "Probably a personal best, of recent times, of 7 balls."Everyone knows I like a sociable wager. Tell you what:I'll take two days and bet I run 125 balls, to the tune of say $20,000.What I have always really respected is a man who backs his opinions with a big bet.
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AMEN. WAY TO GO MR. MATHEWS.

JOHN
 
Cue dude

How you could come on here, talk alot of shit, and put down a legend.

Not everyone has the same opinion as grady, but to attack him because he expressed the way he feels about how Charlie runs his tourny's. If Charlie feels attacked let him address the issue.

You belittling him is just wrong.

Mack
 
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