hey, i need help for a debate in one of my classes

pooln8r said:
What about the guy who had a cue stuck in his head next to his eye? That could have killed him and it wasn't due to a fight. This is for the sports argument. I miss taking my cues on the plane with me......:(

Also I wanted to add to what Masayoshi said by saying that the playing conditions during a pool match can and do change. The cloth as well as the balls tend to get dirty with chalk, hand oils, powder, sweat, cigarette smoke and all sorts of other things that could be around the table.

Air-conditioners dry out the air causing speed changes in the cloth, table lights can make a difference as well in the speed and rebound of the rubber in the cushions.

We all know what a difference high humidity can have on a tables playing conditions too.

Also when playing tournaments you can play on many different tables. Just changing tables for different matches can bring a whole new set of not very obvious conditions. You can't always read the green in pool like you can in golf. You actually have to play on it and roll balls on the table to find it's idiosyncrasies and environmental conditions. It's very rare to play on one table with one set of conditions in a tournament.

Hope that helps,

Kevin
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Are you serious, air conditioners , humidity???? golf is played outside, in the rain, in the wind. dirty felt?? how but a bunker, water, coyotes... everygolf course is different, pool table are pretty much the same and much more easily adjusted to. I assume you are not serious...
 
ECPT said:
hey AZers,
im in a communication class at school and was wondering if you guys would be able to help me out. i need to give a persuasive speech and talk to the class. i was planning on talking about why i think pool is the hardest sport. i was going to compare it to golf and how i think pool is harder. any input would be great.
Thanks for your help
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I'd give a talk on punctuation being even harder than either golf or pool.

Before anyone gives me a hard time, remember it is a COMMUNICATIONS class for gawd's sake!

Pool IS harder as it has 2 or more balls involved in every shot and there are as many as 14 other balls getting in the way. 6 rails, 6 pockets, all mean the variety of shots is much higher than golf. I've played both, been about the same level in both ( a 12 in golf and whatever in pool). I quit golf for pool because the time and money costs are greater in golf than pool (and THAT is harder for me).

Jeff Livingston
 
Pool

A sport is something that you can make a living at. Pool is not harder than Golf or Archery for that matter. My paternal Grandfather used to make Bows and arrows, and I had a bow since I was 7 years old. I killed my first rabbit with a bow.

Furthermore, my brother and his family used to compete in Archery. My brother won 4 outdoor State titles, 3 indoor State titles, took 2nd in Midwest Nationals, and placed 11th in the world in Australia (8 years past his prime). I have seen my brother on an 80 yard target place 3 arrows within
a half dollar size bullseye.

Pool can be as hard as you want to make it, or as easy as you want to make it, it just depends on the person.
 
How bout why pool should be a Olympic sport instead? Use the time to point out the positive in pool and how these can have a positive affect on young peoples lives or anyone for anyone age for that matter.

Trying to compare one sport to another in degree of difficulty when any sport is performed at a high level is like comparing apples to oranges. Just doesn't work.

FWIW
 
argue pool, to billiards or snuka or something. i did catch some 3 cushion billiards at the last sbe, it was pretty amazing. now there are athletes.
 
I am new, someone said this has been hashed out before about golf vs pool so there is no point in my showing how astounded I am that anyone would think pool is harder than golf, so I will retreat. But you guys are nuts.:smile:
... good luck with your topic, I did a speech on the development of money from ancient times to modern times and got dinged for jingling change in my pocket. It was for effect but the grad student thought I was nervous. Play it by their rules.
 
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Goose1972 said:
Are you serious, air conditioners , humidity???? golf is played outside, in the rain, in the wind. dirty felt?? how but a bunker, water, coyotes... everygolf course is different, pool table are pretty much the same and much more easily adjusted to. I assume you are not serious...
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Goose, first take a breath and calm down. Did you really read my post before you decided to go off. I'm not comparing pool to golf. They're two totally different activities under different conditions. Let's get more simple, in this country for the most part, not counting the Philippine's which is the exception, one's outside while the other is inside. Clearly environmentally different with different challenge and movements. The only thing I really think the two have in common is that they both require high levels of concentration and a killer instinct to compete at the highest levels.

I don't know why pool and golf get compared so much except for them both having basic components in common like a ball, a destination hole and some mostly green stuff in between. Oh yeah and a lot of pool players are golfers as well as the other way around so someone has to find out who's playing the real game I guess. Pissing contest is all it is. I'm not part of which is better. I appreciate them both for what they offer.

All I said in my post is that the conditions change on the table while you're playing or going from table to table. They really change if you go from a well taken care of pool hall to one that's not so well taken care of. The changes are mostly minor but pool is a game of fine adjustments and mostly small movements.

So to answer you, Yes I was serious about what I said in reference to pool only.

Good shooting to you!

Kevin
 
Compare Pool to Bowling.

Both sports are Static. Both require check lists (PSR's) to execute properly. The only real difference is the opponent in Bowling gets the same chance you do. Ain't so in Pool!

Most people have tried to Bowl & play Pool. This should be a winner in any class.

Good luck
randyg
 
pooln8r said:
Just changing tables for different matches can bring a whole new set of not very obvious conditions. You can't always read the green in pool like you can in golf. You actually have to play on it and roll balls on the table to find it's idiosyncrasies and environmental conditions. It's very rare to play on one table with one set of conditions in a tournament.

Hope that helps,

Kevin
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Kevin, i have gone for a long walk, and have returned much calmer. Thank you for the advice. I'm sorry if i misunderstood you, it seemed to me that you were comparing the two, as most of us were. I apologize. I've evidentally misread the above quote. I was just trying to state that the changes that you put forth in pool, are nothing compared to the changes faced in golf, being outside in the rain, bugs. dealing with 18 different holes, over 4 different days. Where they move the hole to different green locations, each green changing by hole, and by day. I'm really actually not sure what you were taking about and am once again seeing red.
 
Here's a hint:

Your pool/golf comparison won't fly. I doubt you have any empirical data. Anecdotal evidence doesn't make a good case for you.

Any "opinion" you have on the subject can easily be refuted with someone else's opinion.

This is why politics in the United States is a complete waste of time.

I'm too tired to go further with this
 
fhopper said:
I am new, someone said this has been hashed out before about golf vs pool so there is no point in my showing how astounded I am that anyone would think pool is harder than golf, so I will retreat. But you guys are nuts.:smile:
... good luck with your topic, I did a speech on the development of money from ancient times to modern times and got dinged for jingling change in my pocket. It was for effect but the grad student thought I was nervous. Play it by their rules.
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You know what's harder than both golf or pool?

You avatar keeping her boobs in.

Jeff Livingston
 
Been told I am crazy, I agree

Put aside mechanics,strokes,knowledge,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc, of either game.
The concentration factor on every shot in pool is enough to make your head explode.The thought process must be completed quickly and executed on a consistent basis non stop,even when you are sitting in the chair waiting your turn.

Compare that to golf { 1 stroke every 20 min } and the amount of time you have before your brain has to lock in and go zombie.

I play both games fairly well. I think pool is harder just for the brain power that is required constantly.
 
SmoothStroke said:
Put aside mechanics,strokes,knowledge,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc, of either game.
The concentration factor on every shot in pool is enough to make your head explode.The thought process must be completed quickly and executed on a consistent basis non stop,even when you are sitting in the chair waiting your turn.

Compare that to golf { 1 stroke every 20 min } and the amount of time you have before your brain has to lock in and go zombie.

I play both games fairly well. I think pool is harder just for the brain power that is required constantly.
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if you're taking 1 stroke every 20 minutes, you must be looking for balls an awful lot and cant be that good. I'm really not so sure how well you play pool either.

It's more like a stroke every 3-4 minutes, with travel time, some (not me) chose to carry clubs and potentially break a sweat, over the journey of a 3-4 miles and several hours of focus and concentration. The only time anyones ever possibly broken a sweat playing pool aside from nerves, is by stuffing there faces with chicken wings while playing. What other sport allows such beauty and grace. and as for focus and concentration you move a stick about 6-18 inches back and forth to poke a ball, the velocity and arm and body power used for a full golf swing and the focus needed to perfectly contact a smaller white ball, with an oddly shaped blade now where talking brain power..... im off to get some chicken wings.

Peace
 
fhopper said:
I wish it were a gif and they really did fall out! I am 62and Wonder Woman is Wonderful... both of them.:thumbup:
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My wife and her friends saw Madonna's Evita movie and they started singing it this way:

Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my boobs in
Don't keep your distance​


Now that would be a good debate! In or out?

Jeff Livingston
 
ECPT said:
hey AZers,
im in a communication class at school and was wondering if you guys would be able to help me out. i need to give a persuasive speech and talk to the class. i was planning on talking about why i think pool is the hardest sport. i was going to compare it to golf and how i think pool is harder. any input would be great.
Thanks for your help
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Eh, honestly I play both sports alot and golf is harder... You can try to debate that pool is harder but in reality it is the other way around.

The ONLY thing I can think of harder about pool is that you do not control your fate to the same degree as you do in golf. This is due to two major reasons.

1) The break shot in pool holds a huge factor of luck in making balls, getting a shot after the break, and not getting kicked in. Golf has nothing even close to that factor of luck. A good drive "can" land in a divot, but that is extremely unlikely and it is not nearly the same penelty as being hooked behind a ball after the break and needing to kick or push.

2) In golf you get to play. Even if your opponent is WAY better then you are and detroying you in a latch you still get to shoot. In pool you can technically lose the coin toss and lose a match. I have played PERFECT pool in BCAPL matches in Vegas where I broke and ran every game and lost because I lost the opening coin toss and my opponent also broke and ran every one of his games. I lose 5-4 and I never had a chance because my opponent broke successfully and got out every time. At 4-4 after you broke and ran to even up the match and make him break on the hill you are PRAYING for that one dry break or some tied up balls, because praying is all you can really do. You have no real control over your fate in the outcome of the match, it is all in the hands of your opponent.

That is what is SO hard about winning a tournament like the BCA, you need to win ALOT of matches against people who in a race to 5 don't "have to" give you any chances. You get one dry break where you are run out on your own break against a good player that is a HUGE swing in a measly race to 5.

In this way golf has nothing like it, in golf if you are playing exceedingly well then you will get to shoot and you will put up an awesome score and if you get beat then as well as you shot the other guy shot better. In pool you can lose to a person who does not shoot as well as you with just a little swing of luck on a coin toss or a single dry break.

This is why I have ALWAYS tried to get this game onto 10-foot tables again with tight pockets. For the best players this actually makes the game easier because you remove alot of the lucky swings and both players get to shoot and on that table skill will ultimately decide the winner, not the swings.

On a 10-foot table with 4 inch pockets the game of pool would be up there in difficulty with the game of golf (especially in 8-ball). For all that added difficulty though it would be less frusterating for the professional player to play AND the non-pro spectator to watch because they would feel more in control of the outcome, they might be shooting like crap and controlling the outcome into a loss, but that is still control. The issue with pool is the outcome of matches at the top level are far too left into the hands of chance in short races where any two pro players have almost equal chances of winning.
 
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ECPT said:
hey AZers,
im in a communication class at school and was wondering if you guys would be able to help me out. i need to give a persuasive speech and talk to the class. i was planning on talking about why i think pool is the hardest sport. i was going to compare it to golf and how i think pool is harder. any input would be great.
Thanks for your help
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the golfers will tell you that there is a much tougher game. They will say that they must play in the rain, they must hit balls out of Sand traps, must hit balls out of the rough and they must play in the wind.
You can easily counter their arguments such as, you must play on new cloth versus old cloth, the humidity in the room can change overnight and make playing position completely different, they try to hit the ball in the middle of the face of the club all the time where you have a much tougher time because you have to hit the ball high and low, left and right causing deflection and squirt. golfers use a normally full swing all the time unless they're close to or on the green. Pool players need 1 million different speeds to control the cue ball. And the big kicker is their only trying to control one ball and you must control two balls all the time.
Also you can say that there are 40 million people that play pool in the US and there are about 50 top pros. golf has a lot less people that play the game and they have 150 top pros. Pool is probably a little tougher to master than golf. Hope this helps
 
if i had to put everything i owned down on either a 6 foot straight in putt on a level green, or a 6 foot straight in shot, id go with da pool evertytime. the mechanics are just so much more complicated.

i hope the original poster now has had enough help with his homework. next topic.
 
Masayoshi said:
Here are some idea/topics to start on:

Pool is more mentally challenging, golf is more physically challenging.

In pool you play against an opponent who can directly affect how you play (or whether or not you play at all). In golf you play against the course.

Pool has more variables, but less variation within those variables. Golf has less variables, but more variation within those variables. For example, in pool you have 6 pockets to choose from, but the conditions to make a ball in those pockets doesn't change over the course of the game. In golf, you have one hole, no choice, but the terrain, weather, etc. changes for every hole.

It would probably be many times easier to make a proficient golf robot than a proficient pool robot.
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I like this post...golf is a simpler game in a competitive sense...and you
don't have to be as exact.
Pool is a war game, like chess or boxing....many of your decisions are to
crack your opponent rather than just playing the table.
...and the physics part is more demanding.

I was a scratch golfer before I walked into a pool hall...pool was a bigger
challenge to me...imo
 
Ok. I will bite. You know how I KNOW golf is harder. I can take most anyone who has never played the game and they can make a ball. Take someone to the driving range For the first time and they wiff the ball for an hour. My daughter made several balls the first time I took her to Grady's. She was 3. She has yet to make a putt on the golf course after 36 holes. People can say what they want. But it is no comparison. I am an above average player in both. I have run 7 racks on a 9 footer and I shot -10 in a round of golf. Should have shot 59 but I choked on the last 4 holes. Finished with 4 pars. You can yip in a shot on the table. You can't on the course.
 
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