High end custom cue makers making cues with ivory

[mortuarymike-nv]

If the people who are willing to pay 100.000 for a custom Gina loaded with ivory .
Then why not import the cue maker and rent or lease a lathe and a CNC .
There are Zero laws against that.

Some of the parts of the cue could be premade or close to finale sanding or last cut .

I don't know of any major city in the world that you cant lease a CNC .

I could see medical reasons being a issue but I also see that being the best answer to get around the laws,
The cue maker should apply for a work Visa , and everything is legal.

Its not the end to using Ivory or even owning a stunning cue that is loaded with ivory.

 

[Chopdoc]

If the people who are willing to pay 100.000 for a custom Gina loaded with ivory .
Then why not import the cue maker and rent or lease a lathe and a CNC .
There are Zero laws against that.

Some of the parts of the cue could be premade or close to finale sanding or last cut .

I don't know of any major city in the world that you cant lease a CNC .

I could see medical reasons being a issue but I also see that being the best answer to get around the laws,
The cue maker should apply for a work Visa , and everything is legal.

Its not the end to using Ivory or even owning a stunning cue that is loaded with ivory.

A guy like that has a lot of custom jigs and other such things though. He would not likely be as portable as one might hope. Making a lot of the parts in advance would help, but still, I am sure it would be no small thing to accomplish.

If the thing were made essentially short of the ivory inlays...maybe. But with very elaborate designs it isn't so simple as a pocket cut for an inlay. With a very elaborate design, worth the huge cost of such an endeavor, the ivory becomes integral with the construction.

Though I guess if one paid enough, it could be done, if he were willing. But I think it would cost more than 100K.



One little "woops" and you have to fly him back to his shop to re-make the parts that got screwed up.

You would have to pay him a per diem I guess, that would have to be large enough to cover his work and materials, support him through that time period, and compensate him for the lost work he isn't getting done because he isn't in his shop.


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[mortuarymike-nv]

Possible

A guy like that has a lot of custom jigs and other such things though. He would not likely be as portable as one might hope. Making a lot of the parts in advance would help, but still, I am sure it would be no small thing to accomplish.

If the thing were made essentially short of the ivory inlays...maybe. But with very elaborate designs it isn't so simple as a pocket cut for an inlay. With a very elaborate design, worth the huge cost of such an endeavor, the ivory becomes integral with the construction.

Though I guess if one paid enough, it could be done, if he were willing. But I think it would cost more than 100K.
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OK its not the best of Ideas,,,,,,
But its the only legal idea I have heard of that is workable .

Given the choice what do you think Ernie would of preferred to do knowing what he knows now ...

Get busted
Or go on a vacation to Taiwan for a couple months.
What would be a class on how to build a custom cue by Ernie G be worth ??

You don't think getting Ernie overseas for a couple months wouldn't be a money maker ????

I don't think getting the right tooling would be a issue at all.
I think some cue maker there would be opening there machine shop doors for some cue ,makers like Ernie or Dennis...

 

[Chopdoc]

It's a cool idea.

But the cost would be huge......



Maybe he would do it. I dunno....





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[jasonlaus]

I LOVE the way you think.

Cuemakers TOP TOP cuemakers have limited themselves so much it's insane. BB is the only cuemaker getting the $$$$.

For instance; if I worked under one of these guys - BB, DENNIS, BARRY, SHOWMAN, MANZINO, TW, MOBLEY. I'm building out my cues at $3k min, going to 4k min going to 5k min. Building what I want first come. Then I'm building out my CUSTOM @ 5 - SKYS THE LIMIT. taking very few orders.

Building what I love for the SBE, Derby, other cue shows.

This way I NEVER OWE SOMEBODY.......other than who trained me, and gave me my life as a cuemaker.
Jason

Did I mention that Id be available for travel and whatever project you wanted cause I have no list

 

[skins]

I LOVE the way you think.

Cuemakers TOP TOP cuemakers have limited themselves so much it's insane. BB is the only cuemaker getting the $$$$.

For instance; if I worked under one of these guys - BB, DENNIS, BARRY, SHOWMAN, MANZINO, TW, MOBLEY. I'm building out my cues at $3k min, going to 4k min going to 5k min. Building what I want first come. Then I'm building out my CUSTOM @ 5 - SKYS THE LIMIT. taking very few orders.

Building what I love for the SBE, Derby, other cue shows.

This way I NEVER OWE SOMEBODY.......other than who trained me, and gave me my life as a cuemaker.
Jason

Did I mention that Id be available for travel and whatever project you wanted cause I have no list

Im confused....SBE?, Derby?, the rest? What does this have to do with completing cues with ivory overseas to be sold THERE. You can't import them here for the shows. I must be missing your point. Not that I wouldn't mind working with any of those craftsmen.

 

[jasonlaus]

Im confused....SBE?, Derby?, the rest? What does this have to do with completing cues with ivory overseas to be sold THERE. You can't import them here for the shows. I must be missing your point. Not that I wouldn't mind working with any of those craftsmen.

The point was I'd be able to travel overseas to build cues because I wouldn't be tied down to building cues I took orders for in the USA. I would build what I wanted and sell at these places or maybe a few at these places and the rest on EBAY

Come on skins, I know u got this
Jason

 

[Mr. Bond]

" I'm looking for this man, to sell him, to another man...."

anyone else remember front 242 ?

...just me?


oh it is just me. ok nvrmd

 

[skins]

The point was I'd be able to travel overseas to build cues because I wouldn't be tied down to building cues I took orders for in the USA. I would build what I wanted and sell at these places or maybe a few at these places and the rest on EBAY

Come on skins, I know u got this
Jason

Ah..EBAY...I get it. :smile:

 

[cuenut]

cuemaker could turn a shipping container into a portable shop and just ship it to the new location, crank out the cue(s) and ship the container back home. Plug and play option. Might need a couple of them, but trucking across the country wouldn't break the bank. Probably too impractical to pull off, but it could be done.

 

[lfigueroa]

If the people who are willing to pay 100.000 for a custom Gina loaded with ivory .
Then why not import the cue maker and rent or lease a lathe and a CNC .
There are Zero laws against that.

Some of the parts of the cue could be premade or close to finale sanding or last cut .

I don't know of any major city in the world that you cant lease a CNC .

I could see medical reasons being a issue but I also see that being the best answer to get around the laws,
The cue maker should apply for a work Visa , and everything is legal.

Its not the end to using Ivory or even owning a stunning cue that is loaded with ivory.

Having visited Ernie's shop several times, I can tell you that a lathe is just one tool in a very large tool box.

Lou Figueroa

 

[BmoreMoney]

If the people who are willing to pay 100.000 for a custom Gina loaded with ivory .
Then why not import the cue maker and rent or lease a lathe and a CNC .
There are Zero laws against that.

Some of the parts of the cue could be premade or close to finale sanding or last cut .

I don't know of any major city in the world that you cant lease a CNC .

I could see medical reasons being a issue but I also see that being the best answer to get around the laws,
The cue maker should apply for a work Visa , and everything is legal.

Its not the end to using Ivory or even owning a stunning cue that is loaded with ivory.

Sounds like a really cool idea but I see getting work visas as a potential problem in many places. Just as an example in the Bahamas you have zero shot.You have to buy property of at least $250,000 to be able to live there and spend $500,000 for the right to work there otherwise you have no shot. In Australia , if you are over 30 you have no shot unless you are in a highly skilled field and they actually need you. Just couple examples but I'd imagine it's like that in a lot of places.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Can't be done with ivory. It takes a long time between cuts.
Unless, you're going to fly him every time he turns the cue for a pass.

 

[MuchoBurrito]

Or...

How about we all just stop fawning over Ivory. Who cares. Does an animal have to die and species driven to extinction so you can smile at the pretentiousness of your cue?

This is a joke.

Piano keys used to be made from Ivory (I have played the piano all my life), and I'm glad they aren't any more. Nobody has lost anything. It costs us nothing.

 

[jasonlaus]

Or...

How about we all just stop fawning over Ivory. Who cares. Does an animal have to die and species driven to extinction so you can smile at the pretentiousness of your cue?

This is a joke.

Piano keys used to be made from Ivory (I have played the piano all my life), and I'm glad they aren't any more. Nobody has lost anything. It costs us nothing.

So, you have used Ivory keys before? That makes you an Elephant killer. Shame on you
Jason

 

[Mr. Bond]

Or...

How about we all just stop fawning over Ivory. Who cares. Does an animal have to die and species driven to extinction so you can smile at the pretentiousness of your cue?

This is a joke.

Piano keys used to be made from Ivory (I have played the piano all my life), and I'm glad they aren't any more. Nobody has lost anything. It costs us nothing.

Are you concerned about elephants simply because of their low numbers, or is it the use of animals that bothers you?

I just wonder if you, and everyone else, would feel the same if the elephants were plenty in number.

Because we Americans raise, farm, harvest, and slaughter millions of animals every year, all of which had absolutely no purpose in life but to be our food and shoes.

Everything from snails and crustaceans all the way up to Moose and Caribou. And in every country in the world they do this. But the elephant is the one nobody can touch?

I agree, we should protect the elephant populations but the animal cruelty issue is somewhat hypocritical.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Are you concerned about elephants simply because of their low numbers, or is it the use of animals that bothers you?

I just wonder if you, and everyone else, would feel the same if the elephants were plenty in number.

Because we Americans raise, farm, harvest, and slaughter millions of animals every year, all of which had absolutely no purpose in life but to be our food and shoes.

Everything from snails and crustaceans all the way up to Moose and Caribou. And in every country in the world they do this. But the elephant is the one nobody can touch?

I agree, we should protect the elephant populations but the animal cruelty issue is somewhat hypocritical.

I have no issue with using animals for a purpose. I eat meat. I have leather jackets and belts. And leather shoes. And leather cue tips. Etc. However, where I have a problem is killing an animal for the purpose of show, or as a prize. And also, not using the animal in its entirety. Feeding the general population, or clothing them is different than wanting a pretty white material in your cue. Two are necessity. One is luxury.

If elephants were treated as livestock, and were abundant, I would still have a problem with them being slaughtered purely for ivory. Now, if we were eating the animal, using the hides, and completely using the animal, sure - take the tusks, because it wasn't a senseless slaughtering. But when you see elephants just left butchered, and only the tusks have been removed, you know why that elephant died. It wasn't due to urban sprawl.

 

[sammylane12]

If the people who are willing to pay 100.000 for a custom Gina loaded with ivory .
Then why not import the cue maker and rent or lease a lathe and a CNC .
There are Zero laws against that.

Some of the parts of the cue could be premade or close to finale sanding or last cut .

I don't know of any major city in the world that you cant lease a CNC .

I could see medical reasons being a issue but I also see that being the best answer to get around the laws,
The cue maker should apply for a work Visa , and everything is legal.

Its not the end to using Ivory or even owning a stunning cue that is loaded with ivory.

It may not be the end of using ivory, but it should be. We have wiped out 1/2 of all the animals on earth since 1970. It won`t be long and there will be no elephants left. It is absolutely shameful.

 

[MuchoBurrito]

So, you have used Ivory keys before? That makes you an Elephant killer. Shame on you
Jason

That honestly makes no sense lol.

I have played a piano once that had ivory keys, it was so old...

Would I buy a piano with Ivory keys? No. Would I endorse one with Ivory keys? No.

 

[MuchoBurrito]

Are you concerned about elephants simply because of their low numbers, or is it the use of animals that bothers you?

I just wonder if you, and everyone else, would feel the same if the elephants were plenty in number.

Because we Americans raise, farm, harvest, and slaughter millions of animals every year, all of which had absolutely no purpose in life but to be our food and shoes.

Everything from snails and crustaceans all the way up to Moose and Caribou. And in every country in the world they do this. But the elephant is the one nobody can touch?

I agree, we should protect the elephant populations but the animal cruelty issue is somewhat hypocritical.

Aren't forums just the worst place to try and tackle big issues?

I think you put it (unintentionally) ironically when you pointed out that farmed animals have "no purpose" but "shoes and food". I mean, yeah, who needs food and shoes... (I'm kidding, we need food and shoes to survive.)

I am actually not opposed to hunting when people consume the meat they kill. This may actually be more humane in my view than the way most of our farm animals are treated, provided it's sustainable. There are two issues of driving another species to extinction, and cruelty.

We are omnivores, we evolved from omnivores. It's possible to live a healthy life as a Vegan (I think), but it's not easy, it's a major life commitment, there can be health consequences for children, it's not always an option depending on where you live, you may need nutritional supplements, etc... So in so far as we "need" to eat meat, I don't eat a ton, and I actually do try and get humanely sourced meat where I can (again, not always easy tbh.)

All that aside, there's all the difference in the world between raising / hunting animals for food and this appalling douchebaggery:

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Killing something because you need to eat, and killing something because it would make a pretty knick-knack are simply not the same thing.

But I agree with you, there is a certain degree of hypocrisy in animal cruelty discussions. If anybody treated their pets for one day the way their pork chops were treated every single day, they'd be charged with animal cruelty.