And the elephant huggers strike again.
High end custom cue makers making cues with ivory
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There are a lot of us.
End of animals
If there are no more elephants it will because of our choices .......
Those that choose to poach elephants ..... and how we deal them .
The USA isn't the problem , China and some of the other Asian countries are .
Nothing the USA can do to stop the poaching in Africa when that countries government is corrupt and the sales of poached ivory in china is aloud because the government officials use elephant Ivory as a some kind of medicine or drug that makes men get a hard on like Viagra .
I was raised partially on a dairy farm , I know little about elephants .
I know deep in my heart that if I was a little younger I could raise a herd of Elephants here in the USA .....
There is allot of info online how to do allot of things.
Everything would be a issue and it would take the support of allot of people around the world to make safe elephant park .
I don't have any issues with keeping everything moral and legal .
I am willing to donate money toward keeping African elephants alive .
But part of the issue is corrupt governments, starving people greed and the demand for elephant ivory in Asia .
These problems are not being addressed properly ,mainly because the leaders of many countries just don't care about a lot of things and they are corrupt and only looking to make money .
Which normally isn't in the best well being of the elephants .
Maybe there will not be anymore elephants, and there Ivory in the future .
But that is everyone's choice, yours, mine and theirs.
There are ways to save the elephants , its just not enough honest people are involved .............
If there are no more elephants it will because of our choices .......
Those that choose to poach elephants ..... and how we deal them .
The USA isn't the problem , China and some of the other Asian countries are .
Nothing the USA can do to stop the poaching in Africa when that countries government is corrupt and the sales of poached ivory in china is aloud because the government officials use elephant Ivory as a some kind of medicine or drug that makes men get a hard on like Viagra .
I was raised partially on a dairy farm , I know little about elephants .
I know deep in my heart that if I was a little younger I could raise a herd of Elephants here in the USA .....
There is allot of info online how to do allot of things.
Everything would be a issue and it would take the support of allot of people around the world to make safe elephant park .
I don't have any issues with keeping everything moral and legal .
I am willing to donate money toward keeping African elephants alive .
But part of the issue is corrupt governments, starving people greed and the demand for elephant ivory in Asia .
These problems are not being addressed properly ,mainly because the leaders of many countries just don't care about a lot of things and they are corrupt and only looking to make money .
Which normally isn't in the best well being of the elephants .
Maybe there will not be anymore elephants, and there Ivory in the future .
But that is everyone's choice, yours, mine and theirs.
There are ways to save the elephants , its just not enough honest people are involved .............
I absolutely agree, which is why the actual poaching has to be stopped.
But the poaching doesn't happen here. It happens over there.
I don't even have a problem with our government enacting ivory control laws, I think it's a good idea, but let's be realistic, "curbing" the demand in the states, even if successful, will not change what happens in Africa or Asia or anywhere else for that matter.
As I said before, if the law enforcement agencies of this country want to REALLY save elephant lives, they shouldn't be chasing body parts after the fact. They should organize squads of armed vehicles, troops and aircraft, go spend 10 years in Africa blowing poachers apart with remote drones and satellites, and I'd be willing to bet that the poaching numbers go way down.
is preban ivory also illegal..... i have a cue made by a well known cue maker and the inlays are pre ban.........mike
I absolutely agree, which is why the actual poaching has to be stopped.
But the poaching doesn't happen here. It happens over there.
I don't even have a problem with our government enacting ivory control laws, I think it's a good idea, but let's be realistic, "curbing" the demand in the states, even if successful, will not change what happens in Africa or Asia or anywhere else for that matter.
As I said before, if the law enforcement agencies of this country want to REALLY save elephant lives, they shouldn't be chasing body parts after the fact. They should organize squads of armed vehicles, troops and aircraft, go spend 10 years in Africa blowing poachers apart with remote drones and satellites, and I'd be willing to bet that the poaching numbers go way down.
I'm guessing, using your logic above, that you think gunning down the workers that pick the poppies to make opium, will stop the drug trade?
The ivory warlords don't kill or poach the elephants themselves. Soldiers do it. Poor villagers do it. All you'd be doing is shooting someone who is under orders from someone higher up. The king isn't front and centre on the battlefield. The soldiers are.
I have to admit, I've found your contributions to other pool-related threads to be very interesting and knowledgeable.
But your posts on these Ivory threads don't reflect well on you.
There is an issue (facing other species and other materials as well) of sentient creatures being killed, and species driven to extinction, for no good reason. So that a few people can have their body parts as a needless accessory.
Your posts so far are saying "Yeah I know, and who gives a s***." Which is at least honest, but it doesn't reflect particularly well on your thought process, or ethics.
The issue here is no longer the elephants.
It's the threads that have ivory in them turning into flame wars .
The subject of this thread is all lost now because of the flame wars.
The subject was the feasibility of making cues outside where ivory is legal.
Too bad Ernie can't take his ivory outside to make cues .
While one cue maker in China can make cues with ivory that are nowhere as old as what Ernie had .
Oh, I did contribute to this thread.
And it was valuable. Ivory cannot be turned fast. They crack.
So, a maker making cues outside of his shop is going to be flying a lot .
Let's say Ernie makes an ivory handled cue in China.
He turns it round. Let's it sit. Is he gonna sit in China for months till the next time it needs a MM pass ?
Meanwhile, did all the anti or pro ivory say anything that really addresses the SUBJECT of this thread ????
Oh, I don't use ivory all that much.
Just in case I get accused of being an ivory merchant or something .
I have plenty of stags.
Fair points. Thanks for responding. I hope you can see how I'd get that impression though from calling me and other "Elephant huggers".
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what else is it used for
I would think that the amount of ivory that is used in cues is a very small amount.
What else is it used for, just making pretty carvings or what. I would think that if
the cue makers just got the ivory from elephants that died of natural causes there
would be plenty to go around.
jack
I would think that the amount of ivory that is used in cues is a very small amount.
What else is it used for, just making pretty carvings or what. I would think that if
the cue makers just got the ivory from elephants that died of natural causes there
would be plenty to go around.
jack