Hit of a Joss??
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It would be hard for anyone to really qualify if the hit would be different. If both are available try them. There will always be a difference. There are just too many factors to consider.
Two cars built exactly the same will be different. Even in NASCAR the drivers will talk about a certain car that was just perfect. It got wrecked and the shop tried to duplicate it but it was still not the same even though they used the same type of parts and gauges.
My neighbor is a plane pilot and he says that all airplanes will fly and handle different. He says it is amazing on the differences between the same models.
Two cars built exactly the same will be different. Even in NASCAR the drivers will talk about a certain car that was just perfect. It got wrecked and the shop tried to duplicate it but it was still not the same even though they used the same type of parts and gauges.
My neighbor is a plane pilot and he says that all airplanes will fly and handle different. He says it is amazing on the differences between the same models.
mnShooter said:
I think the taper and diameter of the shaft makes a big difference too, also how solidly everything is put together (how tight does the joint pin fit into the shaft threads, how well are the pieces of the forearm fit together, whether it's a solid shaft or a spliced and/or partially hollow one, like the Predator), and the ferrule material, to name a few more factors. I don't think it's as simple an equation as you're saying here.
I do agree, however, that using a different type of wood in the forearm shouldn't make too much diffence to the hit unless it's a wood-to-wood joint (in which case the energy transfer through the joint would be affected, and would affect the hit), or unless one of the other factors already mentioned are different.
-Andrew
The Bamboozler
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Every Joss I owned eventually developed a "ping". Do yourself a favor and get a ZZ series Mezz. They're the best production cue on the market. Japanese made, which is equivilant to buying a Honda over a Ford. You make the decision.
"Japanese made, which is equivilant to buying a Honda over a Ford."
ROFL.... wow this just shows complete ignorance over reality.
What does car manufacturing have to do with cue manufacturing?
They are a seperate set of skills done by completly different people...
I'm not saying this because I'm anti japan(I love my Honda) or pro-american, but I just think its silly to say because Honda is a better car, than a Japanese cue is going to be better than its american counterpart....
ROFL.... wow this just shows complete ignorance over reality.
What does car manufacturing have to do with cue manufacturing?
They are a seperate set of skills done by completly different people...
I'm not saying this because I'm anti japan(I love my Honda) or pro-american, but I just think its silly to say because Honda is a better car, than a Japanese cue is going to be better than its american counterpart....
I think a joss hits just like a falcon. I love my falcon so I think a joss cue is a good buy.
The Bamboozler
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MacGyver said:
Have you ever played with one, pal? If you don't play on anything but a bar-box, then any cue will do. But, playing at a high level requires high quality equipment, which the ZZ series Mezz offers. Trust me, these cues play better than any American made cue. You make the decision.
bmf_rrh
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Hmm, you have me curious Bamboozler. What would be the differences between the zz series and the others series? From the way everyone talked, it sounds like the ebony will not make much difference. I was thinking of getting the Joss 102(ebony forearm), but i may as well go with the 101(stained maple) if it will feel the same. Does anyone know how a mezz will play compared to another popular brand? I have shot with a decent number of cues, just never hit with a mezz. One last question, i have a real finesse game, which production cue would you guys recommend?
I suggest buying a low end Schon STL from Erik Lee. www.erikleecues.com His prices are excellent.
matthew staton
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I am with Hal here, if you want a very good quality production cue Hard to beat a schon.
Weird ping noise
I have had two Joss, both developed a weird ping that drove me crazy. Ended up giving them away.
I have had two Joss, both developed a weird ping that drove me crazy. Ended up giving them away.
Ok maybe im the only person on this forum that actually LOVES the way a Joss Hits. The ping your hearing is from the wieght bolt loosening up .
Step 1. Remove the wieght bolt and shake all the SAW DUST THAT YOU CAN OUT.
Step 2. Blow the butt out with Air to remove any stuck SAW DUST.
Step 3. Clean the Bolt up .
Step 4. Place a SMALL amount of locktite Gel to the bolt and replace it.
EVERYTIME i have done this to mine and others Joss cues the ping is GONE.
Remember its a production line cue.
p.s. These steps also work in order to make a PLAYERS cue hit like a meuicci.
Step 1. Remove the wieght bolt and shake all the SAW DUST THAT YOU CAN OUT.
Step 2. Blow the butt out with Air to remove any stuck SAW DUST.
Step 3. Clean the Bolt up .
Step 4. Place a SMALL amount of locktite Gel to the bolt and replace it.
EVERYTIME i have done this to mine and others Joss cues the ping is GONE.
Remember its a production line cue.
p.s. These steps also work in order to make a PLAYERS cue hit like a meuicci.
bmf_rrh
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Hi everyone and thanks for the replies. I already tried a Schon. I didnt like it too much. Seemed like i got way too much action on the cue ball. Can anyone give me their opinion on the differences between how a stock Joss and Schon compare? Or a Joss compared to anything else?
jbell said:
Definately not true. Joss makes a great cue. Personally, Ilike the older Joss cues better, but I have a newer model and it plays great. I wish they came with a 13mm instead of a 13.5mm shaft, but that's just a personal preference.
Joss makes a fine cue and at a good price.
Jim
jhendri2 said:
I just purcased an old J-17 and it plays phenomenally! It was made in 1989, has the original two shafts (both perfect) and hits as good as anything I've ever played with. I'm not familiar with the newer Joss cues, but the older models 70's and 80's and perhaps early 90's play GREAT.
I currently own a Joss but I prefer to have a Schon. I've owned approximately 4 Schons in the past and not one of them do I have a complaint about. My style of playing suits the Schon well because of the action they produce. I use a lot of english on 90% of all shots, whether it's straight in or not. I use bottom left or right, (running) english to follow the OB if I'm going to use the side rail after contact. So, the Joss I now have is nice, hits well, but I'd still prefer to have a Schon. JMO, peace, John.bmf_rrh said:
Matt_24 said:
The J-17 is a fine cue. I Like the J series and even the N series Joss'. One of my favorite cues of all time is a Joss N-19. Just wish I could find one.
I check eBay all the time for older Joss' , but never have the cash when they come up...
Jim
I have had most types of cues at one time or another, to sell in the pro shop. I always try to play with them so I can truthfully tell customers what I think of the cues. Joss is a good cue. A Mezz is also a very good production cue. It is made to very high construction standards. The one I played with that had a Predator shaft hit very nicely, just a little stiff. The one with the hybrid shaft was very stiff. I did not play with the PUJ shaft, which is their regular shaft. Over all, if I was trying to pick a decent cue for the money, I would take Hal's advice and buy a low end Schon, but a Joss is much less expensive and still plays very well.