Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls

[lfigueroa]

I believe it was a sponsorship deal.

Are you implying that he would say something he didn't actually believe because of a sponsorship deal?

Do you know for a fact that there was a sponsorship deal? And BTW, what exactly did he say at the time? I think I remember but am not sure.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

That would be contingent on them actually making better balls. That does not seem to be the case so far.



That would be a nice thing to have, but aramith doesn't seem to get many complaints, so it isn't a big deal.



No. They are not adding money out of the good of their hearts, they are adding money because they want market share. At best, this is neutral because they are completely expecting to get back every dollar they spend and then some.



Unfortunately, they are not providing more choice to pool players. In tournaments sponsored by Cyclop, I doubt it would go over well if you told them you were choosing to play with Aramiths instead.

I think they make the better ball and I enjoy playing with them and their new zit CB. None of that means I don't like Aramith too, or don't enjoy shooting with Centennials.

And of course they want to make money, duh.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Thanks.
I think Lou should throw in the towel.
This like Frazier vs Foreman in Jamaica now.
" Down goes Fraziaaah!"

I don't think Lou will get hired as the Cyclop spokesperson now.

So, Cyclop is made to the same recipe as the BRUNSWICK CENTENNIAL.
Was the Centennial 57% resin too ?
Oh, it wun't .
Cyclop is around 85% resin.
But, it's harder according to Lou.
Ok, so it's not made to the same recipe as the Centennial?

Which is which?
Lord!

I don't think anyone has said Cyclop are made to the same specs as Centennials.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

I'm assuming you're talking about me, saying I don't like the Cyclop balls & that I shouldn't state my opinion about it. Yeah I don't ruin that gravy train. I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone, just stating my opinion & most other pros I've talked to. If anything I'm trying to help make the game better. We're playing in bars 85 percent of the time, using junk equipment we don't want to use, playing for no money, and about a million other things I could go on and on for a week.

Cyclop, and a lot of people affiliated with Cyclop -- like Diamond and CSI -- are trying to improve the sport, offer more opportunities, and more money. Those guys hold a lot or events across the country in which thousands of players participate, pros win money, and qualify for the MC.

You have every right to state your opinion and can choose to do what you want regardless of what anyone thinks. But IMO, a professional bad mouthing a big time sponsor is probably not so good an idea.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Masayoshi]

Well, using your logic, Cyclop then has 100% correct information about their balls on hand and Aramith doesn't.

Lou Figueroa

About the balls they make, of course they do, but Aramith hasn't made any claims about Cyclop balls except for those they put out themselves, so it's a moot point.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I don't think anyone has said Cyclop are made to the same specs as Centennials.

Lou Figueroa

Ok.

[Using a recipe that originally produced classic ball sets such as the Brunswick Centennials, the Cyclop Ball Company has introduced a new standard of excellence for tournament billiard balls. QUOTE]
That's like we make burgers using a recipe that produced the Big Mac. And our burgers are better.

Yeah, sure.

 

[easy-e]

Are you implying that he would say something he didn't actually believe because of a sponsorship deal?

Lou Figueroa

Almost everyone would say what the sponsor pays them to say. You think Peyton manning really wanted to drink Bud Light after the superbowl?

 

[lfigueroa]

Ok.

[Using a recipe that originally produced classic ball sets such as the Brunswick Centennials, the Cyclop Ball Company has introduced a new standard of excellence for tournament billiard balls. QUOTE]
That's like we make burgers using a recipe that produced the Big Mac. And our burgers are better.

Yeah, sure.

I don't have any knowledge about this.

What I heard was that there was a Cyclop-Hyatt connection (which I guess could be a Cyclop-Albany connection). What would be odd is that the last I heard, Centennials were made by Aramith for Brunswick.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Almost everyone would say what the sponsor pays them to say. You think Peyton manning really wanted to drink Bud Light after the superbowl?

I take your point but two things: first, there can be no doubt that there would be a huge difference between the package Budweiser would offer PM, and what Cyclop might have done with SF. Second, not everyone can be bought (that's why some endorsements are more valuable than others).

I await Lenny's response with bait on my breath.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JoeyInCali]

Ok.



I don't have any knowledge about this.

What I heard was that there was a Cyclop-Hyatt connection (which I guess could be a Cyclop-Albany connection). What would be odd is that the last I heard, Centennials were made by Aramith for Brunswick.

Lou Figueroa

Cyclop TV Tournament Set
CYBBTVList: $250.00Order Yours: $225.00

Using a recipe that originally produced classic ball sets such as the Brunswick Centennials, the Cyclop Ball Company has introduced a new standard of excellence for tournament billiard balls. Each ball is composed of approximately 85% phenolic resin, as opposed to the typical 57% of many competing billiard ball brands. The high resin content and highly polished finish reduce "skid" and "throw" allowing the balls to roll true and eliminate friction related variances. Each ball is precisely measured for weight and roundness. The balls weight tolerance is 169g (+/- 1/2g).

This tournament set introduces pastel color balls, and is the official ball set of the BCAPL National Championships, The CSI Pro Invitational series, in addition to numerous other professional and amateur tournaments./QUOTE]

Who's more informed? You or the dealer?

 

[lfigueroa]

Cyclop TV Tournament Set
CYBBTVList: $250.00Order Yours: $225.00

Using a recipe that originally produced classic ball sets such as the Brunswick Centennials, the Cyclop Ball Company has introduced a new standard of excellence for tournament billiard balls. Each ball is composed of approximately 85% phenolic resin, as opposed to the typical 57% of many competing billiard ball brands. The high resin content and highly polished finish reduce "skid" and "throw" allowing the balls to roll true and eliminate friction related variances. Each ball is precisely measured for weight and roundness. The balls weight tolerance is 169g (+/- 1/2g).

This tournament set introduces pastel color balls, and is the official ball set of the BCAPL National Championships, The CSI Pro Invitational series, in addition to numerous other professional and amateur tournaments./QUOTE]

Who's more informed? You or the dealer?

The dealer, no doubt.

But I gotta say these Cyclop balls sound like the bomb!

Lou Figueroa

 

[wayne]

Are you implying that he would say something he didn't actually believe because of a sponsorship deal?



Lou Figueroa

Man, just look at yourself. You twist the truth like crazy and brag about it and obviously, no one is even paying you a dime to do it.

 

[gxman]

Cyclop balls comes with all Diamond tables. Make a poll or survey asking these owners if they like the Cyclop balls or if they put them aside to use something else.

This thread is mainly the same few posters bashing Cyclop balls endlessly in an attempt to get their point across.

Personally I like my set of Cyclop balls and think they do a lot of good for the pool industry sponsoring so many tournaments.

Anyone knows what balls are used in the U.S Open 9-ball and the WPA 9ball tournament in Qatar?

 

[mvp]

Cyclop balls comes with all Diamond tables. Make a poll or survey asking these owners if they like the Cyclop balls or if they put them aside to use something else.

This thread is mainly the same few posters bashing Cyclop balls endlessly in an attempt to get their point across.

Personally I like my set of Cyclop balls and think they do a lot of good for the pool industry sponsoring so many tournaments.

Anyone knows what balls are used in the U.S Open 9-ball and the WPA 9ball tournament in Qatar?

I love mine and I have aramiths and centennials!

 

[Cuebuddy]

Cyclop balls comes with all Diamond tables. Make a poll or survey asking these owners if they like the Cyclop balls or if they put them aside to use something else.

This thread is mainly the same few posters bashing Cyclop balls endlessly in an attempt to get their point across.

Personally I like my set of Cyclop balls and think they do a lot of good for the pool industry sponsoring so many tournaments.

Anyone knows what balls are used in the U.S Open 9-ball and the WPA 9ball tournament in Qatar?

Ok while not a poll I will jump into this thread with my opinion. I own Cyclop, Centennials and Aramith super pros. I am not a pro but have played a million games of pool in my life(guessing). There are a few things about Cyclop that are different but nothing that you cant adjust to. The Cyclop balls not only stay cleaner but stay cleaner waaaayyy longer than the other balls.

It is not even close on my table, I own a Diamond pro built in 2007 and put together by RKC. I worked hard to scrub the Dye from the pockets so it would not leave marks on the balls. The Aramith balls will still pick up dye from the pockets....a lot. After two years of playing with the Cyclop balls they have yet to pick up even one mark from the pockets.

So Even though I would prefer that the Cyclops play exactly like the Belgium made balls I can quickly adjust to them. Once the Aramith balls get smudged and spotted they play quirky also. For me it is a PITA to polish the balls all the time so I have chosen the Cyclop balls to play with on my own table, although I do break out the Centennials and Premiers now and then.

 

[9Ballr]

Ok while not a poll I will jump into this thread with my opinion. I own Cyclop, Centennials and Aramith super pros. I am not a pro but have played a million games of pool in my life(guessing). There are a few things about Cyclop that are different but nothing that you cant adjust to. The Cyclop balls not only stay cleaner but stay cleaner waaaayyy longer than the other balls.

It is not even close on my table, I own a Diamond pro built in 2007 and put together by RKC. I worked hard to scrub the Dye from the pockets so it would not leave marks on the balls. The Aramith balls will still pick up dye from the pockets....a lot. After two years of playing with the Cyclop balls they have yet to pick up even one mark from the pockets.

So Even though I would prefer that the Cyclops play exactly like the Belgium made balls I can quickly adjust to them. Once the Aramith balls get smudged and spotted they play quirky also. For me it is a PITA to polish the balls all the time so I have chosen the Cyclop balls to play with on my own table, although I do break out the Centennials and Premiers now and then.

I don't know but maybe the fact that Aramith get dirty sooner than Cyclop is the reason they play so much better.

Yes I said better, because FOR ME they play better.

I'm just guessing but maybe it has something to do with the reason Cyclop skids all over the place.

 

[AtLarge]

... Anyone knows what balls are used in the U.S Open 9-ball and the WPA 9ball tournament in Qatar?

2016 -- Aramith Tournament balls with the measles cue ball in both events.

2015 US Open 9-Ball -- same as 2016
2015 WPA World 9-Ball -- Super Aramith Pro balls with the measles cue ball

[This applies to the streamed table; I don't know about all the tables.]

 

[lfigueroa]

From 7/2013:

I think it’s only reasonable that different player are going to have difference experiences with any given set of balls.

Me? I saw fewer skids playing, ringside, and from the booth. I did have one skid happen to me playing a match and Larry Nevel had one happen to him during our match. But, as Bob Jewett has written, the skid phenomena is not so much about the balls, but chalk on the balls. (Kamui, anyone?) And, given the harder surface of the Cyclop balls, that is less likely to happen, IMO.

So Chris saw more skids and he hates Cyclops balls.

Daniel, of povpool, said the pro players like them because there’s less skid. Scott Frost, per Fast Lenny, said Cyclops balls where “the best he had played with... they do not skid like other balls.” Scott Lee said “the balls stay cleaner.” Stroud said he liked the very much.” Mark Griffin said Bustamonte played with them said they played "just fine."

Bottom line (somewhat obviously): YMMV.

Lou Figueroa
call the FBI
DB Cooper found

 

[Boddabing]

Cyclop balls are not quite as good as Aramith.

Alot of pool players who buy cyclop balls for the first time currently are not aware of the fact that their have been two generations of cyclop cue ball. The first generation was that strange milky opaque mixture resin with the cyclop red logo as a spin identifier. The truth of the matter is this cue ball mixture of this first generation ball did not have the same resistence properties as the regular object balls and so what happened is when layers first pound the cue ball into the rack on the break (especially the sound and high speed techniques of the top class pros) the cue ball could not stand up to the intense pressure and soon got out of round - hence the terrible roll off. This senario is certainly possible - another is this cue ball picked up more dust and dirt and lint etc fron table add the extreme spin on certain shots compounds it to the inconsistent roll seen on many videos now. Aramith Pro Cup is a better more consistent billiard ball there is no getting around that fact, but Aramith have a big problem with the discolorong of their old stock cue balls from white to a horrible ivory ,even off yellow. I know of no top pro who desires to play pool with a ivory or off yellow cue ball. I bought a separate meazle ball , the Aramith Pro Cup and it was so yellow when I got it new that I had to challenge Aramith about it. I was handed around from manufacturing managers to senior execs, and eventually I got through to a director on the board who told me that the natural color of phenolic resin they use is ivory, so Iwould have to accept that fact or not buy our products. So I was not impressed with Aramith personel. pity. The second generation Cyclop cue ball is much better. It does not have that weird opaque soft resin cover and has a solid small red dot for spin etc and is so white its even whiter than thebeautifully white Colorado winter snow!

I know what balls I'd rather play with. Enough said.

Thankyou for your participation and patience.
Boddabing - currently playing with an OB -122 first generation pro shaft and Chinese 8 ball on a 7ft English table with Aramith Premier 2 inch spots and stripes but I play with the striped Pro Cup 8 ball as my cue ball because the I don't like the English cue balls being smaller than the object ball at 1 and 7/8 inch and the 'yellow' cue ball sucks. Got to think outside the box if you want to grow in this game. Period.

 

[jay helfert]

Ok.



I don't have any knowledge about this.

What I heard was that there was a Cyclop-Hyatt connection (which I guess could be a Cyclop-Albany connection). What would be odd is that the last I heard, Centennials were made by Aramith for Brunswick.

Lou Figueroa

For a guy demanding proof of everything, it's interesting that you go so much by hearsay.