house cue ferule material?

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Time to order more ferule material and I was wondering which material takes glue the best to hold tips on house cues that are going to be abused. I haven't really had any problems with the materials I have used but I am starting to get a lot of house cue work from the pool halls and pubs and I want to keep them happy.

Thanks,
Hu
 
pdcue said:
Where can you get it?

Dale
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The fiber ferrule is not made any longer since the place burned down. The only source I know is Ryan at Rat cues...he said he had plenty for sale. On house cues I use the Aegis tube that Atlas currently sells....it has way too much trash in it for customs, but is very strong, durable and works great on house cues.;)
 
I use colored pvc on my house cues,,,it's cheap, fairly durable and glues really well. people seem to gravitate towards the house cues with the flourescent orange ferrules :eek:

before any "experts" tell me I can't use Delrin, I've used it for years without any failure (just gotta know the secret to gluing it) :p

I've never been bound by conventional thought, so I experimented with lots of materials on the housecues in my place....pvc is cheap and Delrin cut-offs can be had for very little on eBay.

I'm prone to experimenting when I have too much time on my hands...lol.
 
Lots to think about

I'll have to talk to Ryan. I have used the Aegis(II?) along with most other materials that the cue suppliers sell I just don't have a strong preference for the cues that will be treated roughly and all of a sudden in a few months time I have house cues flying at me from everywhere. I'm finding blue chalk under even the ferules that seem tight at first glance so I'm regluing or replacing a bunch. For the nicer halls I much prefer threading on a new ferule so I will never see another ferule problem unless someone plays too long without a tip. :rolleyes:

I'm next door to a machine shop and probably have access to all of the drops I can use. The machine shop is owned by my friend and landlord so I spend some time over there cutting parts for him or borrowing his machines. Jack, I'll send you a PM to see if you are willing to part with the secret of gluing Delrin. I like working with it since I have cut it for years in the machine shops. I'll do a search too, I know that we have talked about Delrin on here a few times but I'm quick to forget anything I don't write down or make use of immediately.

Hu
 
A couple of thoughts...

Not to hurt your feelings sir, but if you are getting chalk UNDER a recently installed ferrule then my first thought is improper install or bad glue.
Also be aware that the fiber material does not glue well...what I mean is that with the fiber ferrule, when you install a LePro with CA you can go back later and see that the CA bonded the leather only to the wood tenon and not the fiber ferrule. Fiber ferrules won't so much crack or break, they are very durable but also very moisture sensitive. I've seen players wipe their shafts with a damp towel and it'll swell the fiber ferrule so much its unreal. The strongest material you can use is Ivorine 4. The "4" version is totally different than the previous versions and is the strongest ferrule material ever made. It machines nice but cutting & drilling rod stock is quite a chore. It will NEVER break/spilt though but I'm not spending the time/money/effort to cut them for house cues. The Aegis tube I mentioned is for me the best choice. It already comes with a 5/16 hole so prep time is minimal. I've used lots of these on local bars house cues with zero problems...no cracking issues at all. Hope this helps.:)
 
Jack Flanagan said:
I use colored pvc on my house cues,,,it's cheap, fairly durable and glues really well. people seem to gravitate towards the house cues with the flourescent orange ferrules :eek:

before any "experts" tell me I can't use Delrin, I've used it for years without any failure (just gotta know the secret to gluing it) :p

I've never been bound by conventional thought, so I experimented with lots of materials on the housecues in my place....pvc is cheap and Delrin cut-offs can be had for very little on eBay.

I'm prone to experimenting when I have too much time on my hands...lol.
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OK I'm confused by the Delrin rant - are you saying you use it as ferrules also? Delrin isn't PVC.

Have you maybe seen to many Hilary debate clips recently?

Dale<inquiring mind, you know>
 
Varney Cues said:
The fiber ferrule is not made any longer since the place burned down. The only source I know is Ryan at Rat cues...he said he had plenty for sale. On house cues I use the Aegis tube that Atlas currently sells....it has way too much trash in it for customs, but is very strong, durable and works great on house cues.;)
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I hadn't heard about a fire. Who burnned down?

Dale
 
I was told by Prather that the place that made the fiber was I believe in England and burned down a couple of years ago...no rebuild just closed the buisness.
 
Varney Cues said:
I was told by Prather that the place that made the fiber was I believe in England and burned down a couple of years ago...no rebuild just closed the buisness.
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I was told that a flood took out the machine that had been making the fiber ferrule stock for like a 100 years and the company decided it not worth repairing.
 
Varney Cues said:
I was told by Prather that the place that made the fiber was I believe in England and burned down a couple of years ago...no rebuild just closed the buisness.
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Thanx for the info

Dale
 
Thanks, and to clarify

Varney Cues said:
A couple of thoughts...

Not to hurt your feelings sir, but if you are getting chalk UNDER a recently installed ferrule then my first thought is improper install or bad glue.
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To clarify, Dufferin and Valley are the people with problems with house cue ferules. When I take in house cues with the tips missing the ferule often has blue chalk under it even if it seems tight when I first grab it, indicating that there was a fairly long term glue failure.

The vast majority of the time I thread a ferule on. Needless to say, that is the end of the story for ferule/tenon issues. I am more concerned with keeping house owners happy and picking up work from their customers than spending a few extra minutes threading a tenon which I do for the same price as reaming and pushing a new ferule on.

What I was curious about was the best combination to keep tips on ferules. So far mine are holding up well but I have just used a variety of ferules. To be honest I have used up everything in my shop turning out this flood of sticks. The Aegis, LBM, Ivorine 4, one or two more, I empted out my ferule bins. One hidden expense of the ivorine is that it eats up even carbide tooling fairly fast. It isn't that hard to cut but it sure is abrasive!

Thanks Everyone,
Hu
 
Check out the Joe Porper Ferrule.
Inexpensive and machines well.
A good replacement for the old cotton based house cue ferrule.
 
House cues I used to use the fiber ferrules then the tips wouldn't stick then I found Loctite All Plastics. That is some seriously sticky stuff. I don't know if it will work on delrin but it sticks to fiber. Now I use whatever is cheap in a rod and thread them on. It is not worth the headache to keep epoxying the slip ons. Thread it and they don't come loose until the tenon breaks from abuse. m2c...
 
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