This is a ****ing crime. All 3 of these players proved they're among the best of the best. The fact they're not in the HOF proves that we need a better system of inducting players.
How are Danny D, Jose Parica, & Jimmy Mataya not in the HOF?
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Parica should have been in before Bustie, and I like Francisco a lot.
This is pool politics at its finest here. Jose must have pissed somebody off in the print pool media or industry side of the house.
It's not a Hall of Fame without these guys...
Grady Mathews
Keith McCready
Louie Roberts
David Howard
JMO.
I remember one year, the BCA decided to have a public poll on who should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. AzBilliards had the poll up on its Main Page, and I think InsidePOOL did as well, if memory serves me right.
There were four or five names on there, one of which was Earl Strickland. Well, Earl got the majority of the votes by a HUGE margin on both websites, but he was not inducted into the Hall of Fame that year. LOL!
Then, a little voting member birdie told me that one year, a print pool media representative held a teleconference over the phone for a vote to see who would get in the Hall of Fame that year. He/she was head of the BCA Hall of Fame Committee, a committee they had set up at that time that handled these matters. When he asked all in favor, say "aye" -- all voting verbally over the phone, mind you -- he thereafter stated who got in, with no vote count. It was incredible! The voting member I spoke to was shocked and appalled that it was handled this way.
One year, the BCA only inducted one person into their Hall of Fame, not two but one, with no explanation as to why.
I'm not saying Terry and Larry are not worthy to be inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame. The young folk on this forum don't have as long a memory as the older folk, which may be one reason they find it ludicrous for these two gentlemen to get in. That said, I believe Terry and Larry socialize with some of the voting members of the BCA Hall of Fame. It's all in who you know, you know? :wink:
Anyway, for the pool players like Danny and Jose and Jimmy, being inducted would most definitely be a huge honor for each one of them, but it won't put one penny in their pockets. Even the ceremonies -- if and when they are inducted -- will only generate income for somebody else, not the inductees themselves.
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The BCA has never impressed me !
Idk how long they have been in existance but if i remember correctly for many years they did almost nothing but ask for membership monies.
No tour for the pro's like forever. Now they have made some steps forward in the last few years. But there seems to be so much more that should be done if they are supposed to be the governing body of pool.
BAA run by Brunswick back in the day did "rule the game" ! But they had tournaments and pro's getting paid for exhibitions all over the country.
Some events drew more people than an NFL game ! It was big and dignified. Players that were invited to be part of the BBA felt very fortunate and knew they had a good chance to make a decent living doing what they liked.
But that was then and this is now. I also know things has changed sooooo much since then. I have read both Hustler Days and The Hustler and the Champ by R. A. Dyer. Those books will tell how it was and what happened along the way to today !
Idk how long they have been in existance but if i remember correctly for many years they did almost nothing but ask for membership monies.
No tour for the pro's like forever. Now they have made some steps forward in the last few years. But there seems to be so much more that should be done if they are supposed to be the governing body of pool.
BAA run by Brunswick back in the day did "rule the game" ! But they had tournaments and pro's getting paid for exhibitions all over the country.
Some events drew more people than an NFL game ! It was big and dignified. Players that were invited to be part of the BBA felt very fortunate and knew they had a good chance to make a decent living doing what they liked.
But that was then and this is now. I also know things has changed sooooo much since then. I have read both Hustler Days and The Hustler and the Champ by R. A. Dyer. Those books will tell how it was and what happened along the way to today !
Pool and billiard's Hall Of Fame is much different them most all other sports. Many of our best players never played in tournaments. I would think that Don Willis and 'Rags' were better players then Danny and Mataya, but I do not usually see anyone arguing that these two should be in the Hall of Fame.
The NBA is not going to elect a street basketball player who beat Jordan 1 on 1. What if there is someone who beats Tiger out of money? He will not be getting into the PGA Hall of Fame. I understand that these guys did not play in the NBA or PGA, but I am just trying to make a point.
It would probably be easier if all of the big tournaments were sanctioned by the BCA, and there was a regular men's pro tour. It would also help if the all the pros could actually make a decent living, and did not have to gamble and such.
I think it would help for the BCA to have rough guidelines on how they choose who gets in. I am sure major tournament victories would be top on the list. I think this might be what has held Parcia back longer then he should have. He has won plenty of titles in his career, but he may not have won enough 'majors' in the eyes of the BCA. The BCA probably doesn't care how much of a feared money player they were, or if they were considered one of the best by other players. I bet that the BCA wants a cleaner image of pool, and many of the players careers do not portray this clean image. I am sure there are some politics involved also-there usually is.
I know Mataya was a top player in the past, but I do not know much about all his tournament wins. Does he have any 'major' tournament wins, and how many?
The NBA is not going to elect a street basketball player who beat Jordan 1 on 1. What if there is someone who beats Tiger out of money? He will not be getting into the PGA Hall of Fame. I understand that these guys did not play in the NBA or PGA, but I am just trying to make a point.
It would probably be easier if all of the big tournaments were sanctioned by the BCA, and there was a regular men's pro tour. It would also help if the all the pros could actually make a decent living, and did not have to gamble and such.I think it would help for the BCA to have rough guidelines on how they choose who gets in. I am sure major tournament victories would be top on the list. I think this might be what has held Parcia back longer then he should have. He has won plenty of titles in his career, but he may not have won enough 'majors' in the eyes of the BCA. The BCA probably doesn't care how much of a feared money player they were, or if they were considered one of the best by other players. I bet that the BCA wants a cleaner image of pool, and many of the players careers do not portray this clean image. I am sure there are some politics involved also-there usually is.
I know Mataya was a top player in the past, but I do not know much about all his tournament wins. Does he have any 'major' tournament wins, and how many?
Pool and billiard's Hall Of Fame is much different them most all other sports. Many of our best players never played in tournaments. I would think that Don Willis and 'Rags' were better players then Danny and Mataya, but I do not usually see anyone arguing that these two should be in the Hall of Fame.
The NBA is not going to elect a street basketball player who beat Jordan 1 on 1. What if there is someone who beats Tiger out of money? He will not be getting into the PGA Hall of Fame. I understand that these guys did not play in the NBA or PGA, but I am just trying to make a point.
I think it would help for the BCA to have rough guidelines on how they choose who gets in. I am sure major tournament victories would be top on the list. I think this might be what has held Parcia back longer then he should have. He has won plenty of titles in his career, but he may not have won enough 'majors' in the eyes of the BCA. The BCA probably doesn't care how much of a feared money player they were, or if they were considered one of the best by other players. I bet that the BCA wants a cleaner image of pool, and many of the players careers do not portray this clean image. I am sure there are some politics involved also-there usually is.
I know Mataya was a top player in the past, but I do not know much about all his tournament wins. Does he have any 'major' tournament wins, and how many?
The better question would be this: Should tournament wins be the determining factor for the BCA when considering who to induct into their Hall of Fame?
What other factor would the BCA use? Top finish in major tournaments should also be a factor, and I am sure they do a little.
I think you are talking about gambling. We have to look at this throught the eyes of the BCA. We all know that they probably look down on the gambling aspect of the game. All of us probably do not agree with the BCA's choices, but I cannot say I am surprised.
Buddy Hall gambled quite a bit, and he is there. He also at one time was an industry member favorite pool player to hawk their wares.
I agree with you, though, that it is *key* to remember *who* is running the BCA. It is the pool purists, the majority of them, who loathe gambling. :grin-square:
Go to the DCC, BCA league and CSI, or any regional tour event and see which table gathers the biggest crowd: the finals or an action match. :wink:
