how are ya'll doing in league ?

justadub

Rattling corners nightly
Silver Member
And the futility continues...at least my losing margin was better tonight, only got beat 15-5. Shrug. At least I had one really good rack where I did everything the way I wanted, and a few other smaller successes. Thats better than I've played in the previous four weeks, at least.

Would have suggested not playing, but one of my favorite people to play was put up. He and I have played many times over the years, and I've had the better of it. So my playing him would either A: turn my recent struggles around, or B: give my buddy some retribution against me. He got one tonight.
 

Willowbrook Wolfy

Going pro
Gold Member
And the futility continues...at least my losing margin was better tonight, only got beat 15-5. Shrug. At least I had one really good rack where I did everything the way I wanted, and a few other smaller successes. Thats better than I've played in the previous four weeks, at least.

Would have suggested not playing, but one of my favorite people to play was put up. He and I have played many times over the years, and I've had the better of it. So my playing him would either A: turn my recent struggles around, or B: give my buddy some retribution against me. He got one tonight.
Here’s what I do when I get into a funk….

Sometimes rather than playing your opponent, get some practice in……. Drag out a few racks to practice your safes. Take advantage of the shots you see that you don’t normally take by taking them. Sounds to me like you’re just losing a bit of interest. Make it interesting.
 

justadub

Rattling corners nightly
Silver Member
Here’s what I do when I get into a funk….

Sometimes rather than playing your opponent, get some practice in……. Drag out a few racks to practice your safes. Take advantage of the shots you see that you don’t normally take by taking them. Sounds to me like you’re just losing a bit of interest. Make it interesting.
Thanks for the suggestions. Not sure it's a lack of interest, more likely a lack of focus. Whatever it is, it's likely to be in my head. Terrible place for it to be, lol. :cool: I have a month to get it together before we go to the State tourney in June. I'll work it out, I'm sure. Just frustrating thru the process.
 

hang-the-9

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Ran my first 3 pack in a while, against my son LOL
The in-house league he runs is done by Fargo, my 550 vs his 630 = a 3-5 race.
He broke first and scratched, I ran out that rack, then broke and ran the next two to win the set 3-0. Made for a good story for both of us.

Been hanging out with my friends that play APA a couple of nights a week and still for the life of me I can't figure out their point scoring for the matches. They have ratings of some numbers, but then those ratings have ball numbers they need to win, so a 7 does not go to 7 games vs a 4 that goes to 4 games. And then for some reason those exact numbers don't actually line up in what is scored in the match the same way since you need some sort of minimum ball count before you start actually counting, so a 30-15 game ends up being like 18-5 or something odd. Then there is also a team point thing that is done to figure out what team won for the night. You can probably teach a full-on college level course on the APA.
 

Coyote501

Member
My team won its first APA Division title. Had 2 outa 3 MVPs. I personally shot ok. Ended up 6-4 for the session. My last loss taught me a very valuable lesson. The lady I was playing against played awesome defense. She left me with no shots once I got down to one or two balls left on the table. She's played in about 380 matches, she knows her stuff. She was 2 outa my 4 losses. (She was MVP for SL 4/5). Thats something I need to work on/ get better at.
 

Coyote501

Member
Ran my first 3 pack in a while, against my son LOL
The in-house league he runs is done by Fargo, my 550 vs his 630 = a 3-5 race.
He broke first and scratched, I ran out that rack, then broke and ran the next two to win the set 3-0. Made for a good story for both of us.

Been hanging out with my friends that play APA a couple of nights a week and still for the life of me I can't figure out their point scoring for the matches. They have ratings of some numbers, but then those ratings have ball numbers they need to win, so a 7 does not go to 7 games vs a 4 that goes to 4 games. And then for some reason those exact numbers don't actually line up in what is scored in the match the same way since you need some sort of minimum ball count before you start actually counting, so a 30-15 game ends up being like 18-5 or something odd. Then there is also a team point thing that is done to figure out what team won for the night. You can probably teach a full-on college level course on the APA.
Here is the APA Equalizer. If you sweep your opponent you get 3 points. If you win the match, but they win at least one game you get 2 points. If you get to within 1 game of winning the match, but lose, you get a point. 8BallGamesMustWinChart.jpg
 

justadub

Rattling corners nightly
Silver Member
Here is the APA Equalizer. If you sweep your opponent you get 3 points. If you win the match, but they win at least one game you get 2 points. If you get to within 1 game of winning the match, but lose, you get a point. View attachment 697553
These are the APA 8-ball races. He was referring to APA 9-ball, which is a whole different scale and scoring model. If he really wants an explanation of it, I'll gladly provide one.
 

Coyote501

Member
These are the APA 8-ball races. He was referring to APA 9-ball, which is a whole different scale and scoring model. If he really wants an explanation of it, I'll gladly provide one.
(y) Didn't catch that. Please provide as I am gonna dive into 9-Ball for the Summer session.
 

Justaneng

Registered
(y) Didn't catch that. Please provide as I am gonna dive into 9-Ball for the Summer session.
Handicap is to a race to a ball count from SL1 through SL9 (ball counts are 14/19/25/31/38/46/55/65/75). 1-8 ball worth 1 point and 9 ball worth 2 points for a possible 10 points per rack. So, an SL2 has to hit in 19 balls before an SL5 sinks 38.

At the end this is converted to a match score that totals 20 points, so match scores are 20-0, 19-1, 18-2, down to 12-8....this is based on how close the loser got to their required ball count, and read off the conversion chart on the front of the score sheet.

So, if you're an SL-6 and you beat an SL-4 by a ball count of 46-3, you would win the match 20-0 as you destroyed your opponent

If you're an SL-4 and you beat an SL-2 by a ball count of 31-18, you would win the match 12-8 as the SL-2 only needed 1 more ball to win

An example blank scoresheet is here: http://poolplayers.com/pdf/9ballscoresheet.pdf
 

hang-the-9

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Handicap is to a race to a ball count from SL1 through SL9 (ball counts are 14/19/25/31/38/46/55/65/75). 1-8 ball worth 1 point and 9 ball worth 2 points for a possible 10 points per rack. So, an SL2 has to hit in 19 balls before an SL5 sinks 38.

At the end this is converted to a match score that totals 20 points, so match scores are 20-0, 19-1, 18-2, down to 12-8....this is based on how close the loser got to their required ball count, and read off the conversion chart on the front of the score sheet.

So, if you're an SL-6 and you beat an SL-4 by a ball count of 46-3, you would win the match 20-0 as you destroyed your opponent

If you're an SL-4 and you beat an SL-2 by a ball count of 31-18, you would win the match 12-8 as the SL-2 only needed 1 more ball to win

An example blank scoresheet is here: http://poolplayers.com/pdf/9ballscoresheet.pdf

So this I understand, well explained, I did not know there was a conversion chart they went by. But I am not sure why bother with that and not just count the points as they are in the handicap. You get to your points you win the match. 5 matches. Winner of 3 matches wins for the night.
 

hang-the-9

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Anyone else wish they would get rid of the scratch on the 8 = loss rule in APA and TAP and use the BCA, USAPL and WPA rules that if the 8 is on the table it's not a loss? Just watched my son run the full rack, get hooked behind a ball since the opponent did not make a single ball, jump and hit the 8 but the cueball left the table for a loss. He lost the match due to that, losing when your opponent never shot in the rack seems a bit unfair. Like saying the empire state building is a bit tall.
 

dquarasr

Registered
Ran my first 3 pack in a while, against my son LOL
The in-house league he runs is done by Fargo, my 550 vs his 630 = a 3-5 race.
He broke first and scratched, I ran out that rack, then broke and ran the next two to win the set 3-0. Made for a good story for both of us.

Been hanging out with my friends that play APA a couple of nights a week and still for the life of me I can't figure out their point scoring for the matches. They have ratings of some numbers, but then those ratings have ball numbers they need to win, so a 7 does not go to 7 games vs a 4 that goes to 4 games. And then for some reason those exact numbers don't actually line up in what is scored in the match the same way since you need some sort of minimum ball count before you start actually counting, so a 30-15 game ends up being like 18-5 or something odd. Then there is also a team point thing that is done to figure out what team won for the night. You can probably teach a full-on college level course on the APA.
It’s explained on the paper scoresheets.

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justadub

Rattling corners nightly
Silver Member
Anyone else wish they would get rid of the scratch on the 8 = loss rule in APA and TAP and use the BCA, USAPL and WPA rules that if the 8 is on the table it's not a loss? Just watched my son run the full rack, get hooked behind a ball since the opponent did not make a single ball, jump and hit the 8 but the cueball left the table for a loss. He lost the match due to that, losing when your opponent never shot in the rack seems a bit unfair. Like saying the empire state building is a bit tall.
I would guess that the reason is because APA is played on coin op tables in many places, and you can't just get the ball back to spot it. Or at least that would be part of the decision process, if it weren't the sole reason.
 

WobblyStroke

Well-known member
Anyone else wish they would get rid of the scratch on the 8 = loss rule in APA and TAP and use the BCA, USAPL and WPA rules that if the 8 is on the table it's not a loss? Just watched my son run the full rack, get hooked behind a ball since the opponent did not make a single ball, jump and hit the 8 but the cueball left the table for a loss. He lost the match due to that, losing when your opponent never shot in the rack seems a bit unfair. Like saying the empire state building is a bit tall.
I don't league so not sure if a standard foul on 8 keeps the game going. If that is the case, your son should not have jumped and risked losing the cue ball off the table. A controlled kick that won't make the ball but won't lose the game would be better. Even if he whiffs and fouls, his opponent has to earn the win by running out. Gotta play to the rules you got. Especially if he was up against an opponent that can't run out, his decision was awful.

Reminds me of a poker trny I was in near on the bubble of a qualifier where everyone who cashes gets the same entry. The guy who went out, did so by getting all in with aces preflop when he could have easily folded his way into the money. Making it worse, he was berated for his 'awful play' of getting in with aces before he even got sucked out on to get booted from the trny. Bet he never did that again.

Doubt your son will jump in a spot he can hop the balls off the table in a spot like this again. Lose n learn. But the choice, not the rule, was the bigger issue here imo. The rule sucks, don't get me wrong. But when that's the rule, you can't fly at an 8 and risk the game unless ur playing some league hero nicknamed 'the ghost' cuz he gets out so often.
 

fuggles

Member
The APA 9 ball scoring is a real pain in the [you know what]. I don't know how many times a scorekeeper wasn't watching and lost track of the score. Many teams put the new guy on scorers duty. smh. I will say though it makes for better handicaps. It is much tougher to beat 2s and 3s in 9 ball than in 8 ball.

In 8 ball there was some discussion about switching to the CSI/BCA/Fargo 10-7 points scoring system. I quit APA before the decision was made. This new 3 point thing is something I really don't like. They put that 2-1 score to give the loser something for winning a game or 2. The problem is as a team you could win 3 individual matches and still lose the team match. There was a local in house league that used this for the matches even though it wasn't APA. Not a fan.

I'm playing BCA 8 ball now. Working my way up the win % ladder. Good people. Lots of fun. :)
 

hang-the-9

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I would guess that the reason is because APA is played on coin op tables in many places, and you can't just get the ball back to spot it. Or at least that would be part of the decision process, if it weren't the sole reason.

The 8 ball was not pocketed, so even on a bar table it would be OK to keep playing. The WPA rule on this, as well as the leagues that mostly follow those rules like BCA and USAPL, is that you do not lose if you simply scratch on the 8, you need to pocket the 8 and then scratch to lose the game. Just a scratch is ball in hand.
 

justadub

Rattling corners nightly
Silver Member
Thanks. I see at the bottom of the score for starting SL that they still think a woman is worse at pool because it's a woman, and not even by a little, 4 to 2. Go equality and fairness! LOL
Actually that ended a year or two ago... everyone starts as a SL3 now.
 

The_JV

'AZB_Combat Certified'
The standings were updated and it seems as though we pulled it out at the very end of the season. We maxed out our potential total and the former 1st place squad failed to hold on to their lead, albeit small. They had a rough day and slipped down to 3rd, (which is mildly entertaining).

Playoffs this weekend, and the depth in the league appears to be spread out fairly well. Gotta love seeded tournament brackets... (y)

Wish us luck...
Well unfortunately we ended up losing in the finals to the "positively augmented" team...lol. No sour grapes honestly. They played very well and are deserving of the win.

So no pro-bono trip to Vegas this year for us. That said, I'm 90% that we're going to make our way down there anyway. It's been 5yr run at the top of the heap. Secretly I think most in the league are happy to see it come to an end...lol
 
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