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Since were playing guess how he did that and my recent win the trip to Europe! LOL Here is a rack I run during a tournament. I'd like to say it was hill hill for 10 grand but it wasn't. Here is the basic set up I was left.


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Should I have included the wei? http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/

Rod
 
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21 views and no takers huh? As I recall I never disturbed another ball. Come on peeps use you imagination!
 
Let me help out here, Rodd.
 

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Rodd said:
21 views and no takers huh? As I recall I never disturbed another ball. Come on peeps use you imagination!
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Rodd, I assume the two pockets into the corner from the short side. From the three ball on, the rack looks fairly routine, so the question seems to be how to get through the one and two and finish with good shape on the three.

It appears that the one can be pocketed while the cue. with inside english, is sent one rail between the five and eight to get short-side shape on the two ball, while maintaining an angle on the two ball. After that, either up and down with inside english back to the three or the outside english three rail long-short-long shape back to the three, in either case maintaining a little angle on the three ball. After that, it's easy.
 
From the way the picture looks to me I would not attempt even running it. Did the 2 actually pass the 7 with short side shape? It does not look like it on the pic. Plus the 3 is in such a place that to go between the 5 and 8 you would need to play a little bit of bottom with the left hand siding to get the cueball to back up a touch and miss the 3 as it comes off the rail with the angle to go between the 5 and 8. Simple left hand siding with no bottom looks like the cueball hits the 3 after the 1 ball or at least off the rail to me the way the pic is done. Now if ya move the 3 about 1 inch closer to the pocket (so it is not in the way of the cueball comming off that rail with e left siding) and then move the 2 closer to the rail so it actually passes the 7 to the far corner then yeah suddenly the rack is runnable, and really not hard if you make the good shot on the 1.

If the pic is acruate and the 2 does not pass the 7 and the 3 is actually in the way of the cueball comming off the rail and through the 5 and 8 I am playing safe, not making the 1 ball at all.
 
Guys so you know the two passes the 7 so it does not need broke out with reasonably good position. I should have set it up a bit tougher because I could see no way of getting the c/b past the 8 to play position on the two. I see by my diagram I left some room. Here is a bit better version. Sorry for the change.

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Rodd said:
Here is a rack I run during a tournament. I'd like to say it was hill hill for 10 grand but it wasn't.
Rod
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Wow, this runout would be strong. I would think, like SJM, you would have to get short side position on the 2. I would think it would take a little radical high English in addition to the inside - hit at just the right speed - to get the cue to hook below the five. It looks like just using inside English would possibly run you into the 3 ball. It looks like you could easily hook into the corner pocket by the 2 ball for a scratch. I would be tempted to play safe.
 
sjm said:
Let me help out here, Rodd.
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Thanks sjm, how do you do that? I made a slight change so you could see what I faced. It needs correction but I don't know how other than the wei table.

Rod
 
Now I think I'd play safe. Bunting the one to the rail and leaving the cue ball above the three ball leaves a darn tough kick.
 
Rodd said:
Since were playing guess how he did that and my recent win the trip to Europe! LOL Here is a rack I run during a tournament. I'd like to say it was hill hill for 10 grand but it wasn't. Here is the basic set up I was left.


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Should I have included the wei? http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/

Rod
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This is starting to look like a proposition shot.

Well, I suppose it's possible to hit it hard with a ton of follow, and bend the cue ball back - with no real control over the final position:

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The other thing I was wondering was slamming the one so that the cueball popped up off the side rail and hopped airborne backward over the eight - another long shot.

Chris
 
sjm said:
Now I think I'd play safe. Bunting the one to the rail and leaving the cue ball above the three ball leaves a darn tough kick.
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Yeah, thats a good idea. And if he does foul you can try another safty by booting the 1 up table resting the cue be hind the 3. And if all works out for the best you can get some postion to play another safe with the 2/7 for a 3foul
 
I'll take a stab - now bear in mind I play VNEA Eight Ball.

To me the 1st three shots are the most critical & very difficult. From there the rest of the table is set up fairly easy.

Cut the 1 into the corner bring the cue ball back across table for a tough cut on the 2. The natural angles + a little english will bring the cue ball back down table underneath the 3 & then take it from there.

A little more reading & I hit on exactly what SJM said ;)

How about some top on the 1, kiss of the three to get position on the 2 towards the top rail? A little deflection & throw gets back on the 3 & the rest is history.
 
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Did you carom the 1 off the 3 ball and go right past the 8 ball for shape? I probably would have tried that.
 
LastTwo said:
Did you carom the 1 off the 3 ball and go right past the 8 ball for shape? I probably would have tried that.
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I considered that carom, too, LastTwo, but in post #2 of this thread, Rodd indicated that he got out without disturbing another ball.
 
sjm said:
I considered that carom, too, LastTwo, but in post #2 of this thread, Rodd indicated that he got out without disturbing another ball.
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In that case there are three ways that might work from the revised position. Play the cue ball to pass just above the five and end on the other side cushion. Cut the two in and go two end cushions for the three, or with left english to go three cushions (Fore Rail's solution).

The second way depends on the exact positions of the one, eight and five. If you use follow and reverse on the one ball (right follow), and not too hard, and with slippery cloth, you might get the cue ball to hook off the side rail and get between the 5-8 gap, but Rod explicitly excluded passing between those two.

A variation on the second way is to play the shot faster and with less english. The cue ball passes above the five to the bottom side rail, then back between the six and eight twice to end on the bottom side cushion at about the first diamond with a 45-degree cut on the two ball. At 3-cushion this shot with three side cushions is known as a swing shot or a cross-table shot or maybe as an accordion shot.
 
Thanks to all for your participation. Bob and Tate hit on the correct answer so here is what happened. First of all let me give you a little background. It's a trick shot I've shot countless times. A billiard player (which I'm not) is familiar with variaitions of this shot which I believe Bob plays.

Varaitions of this shot come up more than you would think but if you've never experienced or practiced this type of shot it's hard to imagine what the cue ball can or will do. First off here is the trick shot.

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If I practice this like I use to my percentage is above 60 percent. Not to bad but it is a tough shot. I pulled this on Dr Cue in Vegas but barely missed. Roger Griffis was another and I made it first try. To many to list but you just don't see it comming. When you first try the shot, well you'll get the idea with practice and a good stroke.

Ok back to the game. When I saw the situation I knew what I wanted to attempt. The problem is controlling whitey. You can overcook this shot and it travels to far. I knew I wanted to hit the one a bit fat, that helps slow down the c/b comming across table but the c/b will hook to quick and take off. The way I got around that was hit it with a little more pop in the stroke, meaning the c/b has a slight bounce off the rail and comes out farther then hooks later. Then hopefully, lol, the top right fights the angle and kills the c/b. I couldn't have hit it any better, it was just perfect.

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From there just cut in the two, follow the c/b near right center table, draw back off the three for the four in the side and the rest is history.

If you want to see an extreme version (which I didn't shoot) look here.

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An old friend of mine got so frustrated trying to make the shot he rared back and let it fly. One in a lifetime I suppose but that c/b really took off.

Another example of over cook is here, which I shot but the c/b hopped, caught and took off.

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Thanks guys it was fun. sjm the link you gave me was a dead end so I wasn't able to read those threads on posting pictures. Thanks anyway.

Rod
 
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Thanks to all for your participation. Bob and Tate hit on the correct answer so here is what happened. First of all let me give you a little background. It's a trick shot I've shot countless times. A billiard player (which I'm not) is familiar with variaitions of this shot which I believe Bob plays.

Varaitions of this shot come up more than you would think but if you've never experienced or practiced this type of shot it's hard to imagine what the cue ball can or will do. First off here is the trick shot.

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If I practice this like I use to my percentage is above 60 percent. Not to bad but it is a tough shot. I pulled this on Dr Cue in Vegas but barely missed. Roger Griffis was another and I made it first try. To many to list but you just don't see it comming. When you first try the shot, well you'll get the idea with practice and a good stroke.

Ok back to the game. When I saw the situation I knew what I wanted to attempt. The problem is controlling whitey. You can overcook this shot and it travels to far. I knew I wanted to hit the one a bit fat, that helps slow down the c/b comming across table but the c/b will hook to quick and take off. The way I got around that was hit it with a little more pop in the stroke, meaning the c/b has a slight bounce off the rail and comes out farther then hooks later. Then hopefully, lol, the top right fights the angle and kills the c/b. I couldn't have hit it any better, it was just perfect.

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From there just cut in the two, follow the c/b near right center table, draw back off the three for the four in the side and the rest is history.

If you want to see an extreme version (which I didn't shoot) look here.

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An old friend of mine got so frustrated trying to make the shot he rared back and let it fly. One in a lifetime I suppose but that c/b really took off.

Another example of over cook is here, which I shot but the c/b hopped, caught and took off.

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Thanks guys it was fun. sjm the link you gave me was a dead end so I wasn't able to read those threads on posting pictures. Thanks anyway.

Rod
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You know, Rodd, I play a lot of three cushion, but I'd have been hard-pressed to come up with that shot or risk it when the safety looked so strong. All I can see is great shooting!

As for the link, sorry about that. Here's the text from the post by Colin Colenso from which I learned how to embed a wei table in a post. Colin wrote:

When you have the Wei Table picture on your screen, just press and hold the shift key while pressing the 'PrtSc' Print Screen key.

Then open a drawing program such as Paintbrush which is on most computers already, and select edit then paste. The whole screen image will be pasted. The select the area you want for your picture. Make a rectangle around this and select 'edit' then 'copy'.

Open a new image and paste this smaller part. Then save this as a picture.

To add this picture to a thread here, click on the 'manage attachments' button and browse for the pic and upload it.

Let me just add to Colin's post that when you save the picture in Paintbrush, the default file format for saving is .bmp for bitmap. You must change this to .jpg to be successful. If you don't change it, you will exceed the file size limit permitted for images attached to the AZB forum. Good luck.
 
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Thanks for the instruction, I'll have to work on that.

You know even in 3C, here is a variation that isn't that difficult.

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Once you get a grasp on the stroke it takes and where to hit the o/b it becomes a lot easier. I've played a fair amount of 3C but I wouldn't try to impersonate a billiard player. LOL

Rod
 
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