its the first shot, the one that earl demonstrates. i remember there was a similar thread awhile back..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4y67cFpi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4y67cFpi8
how do i perform this shot (earl strickland)?
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I believe high left hand english and a good smooth follow through should suffice. 
obr said:
This is how I would do it:
Its not that hard of a shot. I usually have better results when I concentrate on hitting it with a good follow through with lots of english to get it around the table vs. using power to get it around the table. Good Luck!
Yep, 10 o'clock on the ball, and it's more about how far out on the edge of the ball you hit than how hard you hit. Just like getting great draw requires learning to consistently hit the ball really really low, right on the edge of miscueing, this kind of extreme english shot hinges on hitting the ball right on the edge of miscueing.
-Andrew
-Andrew
I'd say it's a tradeoff between the two. Some players are better able to stroke hard and accurate than to aim extreme sidespin shots accurately. So the most reliable choice along the continuum of extreme-spin-slow to no-spin-fast is probably different for different players - not to mention that the final location of the CB changes all along that continuum. Ideally, of course, you want to be able to do it all.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Speed is no substitute for spin on this shot, due to a fact you pointed out yourself (highlighted in red above). This is a spin shot, and the harder you have to hit the ball to obtain the necessary spin, the less effective the spin will be, since the spin affects the angle off the first rail much more at a slower speed. So I would say in this instance, there's no tradeoff. You want to hit as close to the miscue limit as possible, or you want to choose a different shot.
-Andrew
I agree - if you need to get the CB to a particular spot you need to use a particular combination of speed and spin. I was pointing out the tradeoff in general terms, not necessarily for this shot. My main point was that if you don't need to put the CB in a precise location then you can choose a combination of speed and spin that's best suited to your personal skills. This is the tradeoff that beginners are often advised to make: "cinch the shot and settle for less-than-perfect shape".
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Fleece3 said:
For me that particular shot lays perfect for using BHE...(The CB is the perfect distance from the OB).......IF you have your BHE dialed in on the cue you are using you won't have to compensate for deflection at all on that shot....(The BHE does it for you)
Set up to shoot it straight in...Apply your BHE and stroke it...
key thing about this shot is the deflection of your cue. it's a tougher shot than most because it's inside english, and by and large most people use that effectively a lot less than outside english so it's more difficult.
i'm going to assume you will want to hit it as high inside as possible without miscueing, so it's just a matter of judging how much the cue ball will squirt off to the side. which depends on how hard you hit it. the harder you hit the shot, the further out the cue ball will squirt. break it down. practice the shot at low speed so it just creeps round two/three cushions, and then practice it hitting it hard so it follows around the table.
i'm going to assume you will want to hit it as high inside as possible without miscueing, so it's just a matter of judging how much the cue ball will squirt off to the side. which depends on how hard you hit it. the harder you hit the shot, the further out the cue ball will squirt. break it down. practice the shot at low speed so it just creeps round two/three cushions, and then practice it hitting it hard so it follows around the table.
There's a lot going on with this shot. You have to simply practice it for a while. Yes, it's top left but you need to apply a bit of a punch. You also actually have to AVOID overstroking this. If you do, you'll get a very pretty bend toward the short-rail and you'll fail to stay in the desired lane. It's a fair balance between follow and spin that gets you around the table. For the clock enthusiasts, I would say more about 10:30 than 11.
Just a side comment - this is a really pretty shot. It's a position route note often taken.
Just a side comment - this is a really pretty shot. It's a position route note often taken.
worriedbeef said:
Not that I think this is a bad idea but the problem with starting off hitting this shot soft is that you naturally apply follow when you hit it soft. That is to say, as you increase your speed, you may have to hit the cueball higher in order to get it to follow.
You actually have to follow just enough to avoid stunning and allow the spin to take you around the table.
Can you define "punch" and "stroking" in terms of force and tip placement?
Thanks,
pj
chgo
I think the whole key to this shot is done by feel...
You need to have just enough side momentum on the ball and forward (follow) momentum on the CB to get the max "grab" effect on the rail...The amount of side spin applied via the grab is what really throws the ball around the table.....(for the 3 rail path)
Too much of one and not enough of the other and the CB won't grab.
To me there is a real element of feel here in applying the proper tip placement or english.......and if the angle of the shot changes in the slightest bit, the combination of follow/english changes
You need to have just enough side momentum on the ball and forward (follow) momentum on the CB to get the max "grab" effect on the rail...The amount of side spin applied via the grab is what really throws the ball around the table.....(for the 3 rail path)
Too much of one and not enough of the other and the CB won't grab.
To me there is a real element of feel here in applying the proper tip placement or english.......and if the angle of the shot changes in the slightest bit, the combination of follow/english changes
Patrick Johnson said:
You'll never get an accurate description of force here. Nobody knows their shots in terms of Newtons. The shot is meant to be hit firm. You're not slamming it but you're definitely not babying it. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being your break, you should hit a shot like this no less than 6. Re: tip placement, I can say this shot is about 10:30 but I don't know how many tips away from center to use. It's feel. I have a picture in my head on how to get the cueball to react that way and you will too after you successfully hit it a few times.
"Punch" means you have to hit it a bit on the hard side and "overstroking" (the actual word I used) in this instance would mean hitting it too high and causing force-follow (the cue-ball is spinning forward faster than it is moving forward) which will cause the cueball to bend.
Actually, a wonderfully practical application of a similar type stroke is this (see below diagram). You have a very small angle on the 8-ball and need to get to the opposite side of the table for the 9-ball. By hitting it firm, not a whole lot of follow but quite a bit of side-spin, you can hit the rail and allow the spin to get you around the table. You need SOME follow to get the cueball moving but you don't want a whole lot because you'll go right toward the jaws of the pocket.
It's a very neat shot, not easy to do and one that requires a bit of practice to get a good feel. However, the pay-off is HUGE.
It's a very neat shot, not easy to do and one that requires a bit of practice to get a good feel. However, the pay-off is HUGE.
obr said:
One prerequisite, you need to have a stroke like Earl. Someone can show you exactly where and how to hit the ball, but without the stroke, you'll never be able to do it.