How do you handle this? (long)

W

wayne

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. I later found out he had told many players I was a cheat. Now 5 months later I find out he is still going around badmouthing me and calling me a cheat.

The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

I have met up with him twice in tournaments recently and beat him badly both times after the second defeat he went storming off again and told a bunch of people he would never shake my hand because I was a cheat.

The main problem as I see it is he is extremely competitive and hates losing and the fact that I have beat up on him many times has led to him hating me. He is not the type of person you could just talk to and work things out, he refuses to talk to me. The only time I play him now is in a tournament and I am not willing to dump which probably wouldn't be a workable solution at this point anyway.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
 
Ignore his comments if talking to him and working it out is not an option. People that you care about know you for who you are and people that know him will eventually know him for who he really is...trust me.

wayne said:
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. I later found out he had told many players I was a cheat. Now 5 months later I find out he is still going around badmouthing me and calling me a cheat.

The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

I have met up with him twice in tournaments recently and beat him badly both times after the second defeat he went storming off again and told a bunch of people he would never shake my hand because I was a cheat.

The main problem as I see it is he is extremely competitive and hates losing and the fact that I have beat up on him many times has led to him hating me. He is not the type of person you could just talk to and work things out, he refuses to talk to me. The only time I play him now is in a tournament and I am not willing to dump which probably wouldn't be a workable solution at this point anyway.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
Click to expand...
 
My solution may not be the most politically correct. I would call him out for the bitch that he is the next time it comes up and see how he reacts. To me that is better than ignoring him. But what do I know, I have small issues with my temper.
 
Ktown D said:
My solution may not be the most politically correct. I would call him out for the bitch that he is the next time it comes up and see how he reacts. To me that is better than ignoring him. But what do I know, I have small issues with my temper.
Click to expand...


On the contrary, i think that this guy is running his mouth to irritate this guy and is trying to provoke him into a fight. Is a game of pool really worth the effort and trouble, both in the fighting and the legal problems that might arise, after it is done. i just say screw him and let it go. don't let him get under your skin and let him say what ever he wants. we have a guy here where i live that is just waiting for someone to hit him so that he can... 1) get that person arrested and... 2) turn around and sue them....not worth it, but what do i know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mike
 
this is what needs to happen

i would wait until you have legitimate reason to suspect him of bad mouthing and approach him in a respectable manner and confront him about why he is still mad. if he doesnt agree to respectfully drop the whole situation and move on, then you get a little offensive and ask him to play some and bet something of a good amount.

but now he might say he wont play you cuz your a cheatso then you tell him youll play with a ref or play opponents call fouls honestly. or if he doesnt like to gamble big, play for pride of the subject and whoever wins can choose to drop the subject forever or not.
Brandon from northern virginia
 
wayne said:
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. I later found out he had told many players I was a cheat. Now 5 months later I find out he is still going around badmouthing me and calling me a cheat.

The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

I have met up with him twice in tournaments recently and beat him badly both times after the second defeat he went storming off again and told a bunch of people he would never shake my hand because I was a cheat.

The main problem as I see it is he is extremely competitive and hates losing and the fact that I have beat up on him many times has led to him hating me. He is not the type of person you could just talk to and work things out, he refuses to talk to me. The only time I play him now is in a tournament and I am not willing to dump which probably wouldn't be a workable solution at this point anyway.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
Click to expand...

Dont worry about it. You can bet everyone knows what jerk he is and no one takes him seriously.
 
wayne said:
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. I later found out he had told many players I was a cheat. Now 5 months later I find out he is still going around badmouthing me and calling me a cheat.

The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

I have met up with him twice in tournaments recently and beat him badly both times after the second defeat he went storming off again and told a bunch of people he would never shake my hand because I was a cheat.

The main problem as I see it is he is extremely competitive and hates losing and the fact that I have beat up on him many times has led to him hating me. He is not the type of person you could just talk to and work things out, he refuses to talk to me. The only time I play him now is in a tournament and I am not willing to dump which probably wouldn't be a workable solution at this point anyway.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
Click to expand...

Wayne,

I think I know who you are talking about. If I felt he were rational, I would suggest a calm discussion face to face, but I think he's a little "anger management class" material.

I think you have to just continue to do what you are doing. You can prove him wrong and foolish every single day. Your reputation, demeanor, and conduct speak for themselves. I have always thought you were an exceptional gentleman (except for your cruel safety play) I don't think anyone you give a damn about is going to believe this guy.

If I were the owner of this pool room, I would be very concerned that my manager was getting petty with my good customers. This is a line I would not want my employees to cross.

Chris
 
Those are my favorite people to play. I have a tendency to lay off some people for one reason or another,especially if they play a lot and are trying to improve. But if someone tries to call me a cheat or anything of the sorts I pull out all the stops. Just torture him every time you play him and make sure you try to shake his hand after the match, after he tries to pick up the crushed pieces of his ego. Be a truly upstanding citizen and if he makes comments just be as nice you can be, like there is nothing going on. Trust me he will crack eventually.
 
wayne said:
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. ...
Click to expand...
What was the situation he got upset about? Have there been other situations in the other games, or did nothing happen until he lost?
 
Since the owner is your friend u can get him fired from the Manager`s job.There is nothing u could do to that guy legally.There is really nothing one can do when some one was bad mouthing. But u can stop him doing that only by unlawfull methods such as getting him experienced with `Blanket treatment`. LOL.I do not advocate that ununlawfull method.Cheers
Vagabond
 
Last edited:
Well you know how to settle it once and for all?

challenge him to a race to 9 with a few people looking and shut him up once and for all! Once people know that you play better than him, he's just gonna be known for being a sore loser and won't take his words too seriously. Hell, put some money on it and make it even more interesting.
 
Hey Wayne. I know who your talking about. I was there too. That guy definitely has a competitive spirit.lol. You shouldn't have anything to worry about. If it makes you feel better, play him some sets for some lunch money :D . Like Chris said, everyone whose met you will know who to believe. Just like the history of BC... who did you believe of the two owners more??? ;) . Anyways, see ya at the next tourney. Oscar
 
wayne said:
The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
Click to expand...

Wayne,
You might try talking to the owner. A subtle suggestion that you and every friend you can convince may stop frequenting his pool hall because of this manager's loose tongue. Rather than a threat, you could just say you feel uncomfortable there since the manager has been hanging on to this grudge for so long. If there aren't any other pool halls in town, then you are screwed.
 
I have the same exact problem!

I've been playing the same people for several years. It was when I started winning games that the s&!^ hit the fan. Some of the people who were friendly to me suddenly became real jerks.

What helps me the most is that I play in many different locations/cities. It is only at one or two locations where I have all the trouble. And these are ball-banger types at these locations mostly.

I have the least amount of trouble playing the better players. They have reached their level of skill by playing the best players and losing, losing. losing. They are accustomed to losing and do so as good sports - will complement me on my shooting, shake hands, etc. And I do the same.

So anyway I know that I get along with most people just fine most of the places I play at - and don't have any problems.

In my mind, I know who I am and that basically I am a good guy. It sounds like you are a good person too. You are here asking what to do, how to resolve this situation. That is a healthy thing to do.

So far as what to do, in these situations, I like to distance myself from the person for awhile if possible. Then they need to find someone else to start their crap with. And this always happens. So I just sit back and watch the show...

Don't let it bother you. Other people know who you are and how you play. When I hear this stuff someone is saying about someone else, I giggle to myself and say (to myself) "Oh that guy beat you again did he?" I know darn well the person is not a cheat, etc. - Just an excellent player is all....
 
wayne said:
About 5 months ago I was playing this guy in a tournament and a controversy arose, the tournament director determined the game should be replayed. The opponent won the game but lost the set and went storming off. I later found out he had told many players I was a cheat. Now 5 months later I find out he is still going around badmouthing me and calling me a cheat.

The problem is he is the main manager at an upscale poolhall that I now only frequent occasionally. I know he would love to ban me but the owner is a friend and wouldn't allow it.

I have met up with him twice in tournaments recently and beat him badly both times after the second defeat he went storming off again and told a bunch of people he would never shake my hand because I was a cheat.

The main problem as I see it is he is extremely competitive and hates losing and the fact that I have beat up on him many times has led to him hating me. He is not the type of person you could just talk to and work things out, he refuses to talk to me. The only time I play him now is in a tournament and I am not willing to dump which probably wouldn't be a workable solution at this point anyway.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this?

Wayne
Click to expand...


Sounds like he has the problem and not you. So he needs to find a solution to deal with it. Unless, there is more of a connection between the two of you that you are not informing us about that makes your exsistance in that room diffacult to play pool.

Otherwise keep giving him a beat down in every tournament you match up in against each other.
 
Last edited:
Well, it doesn't sound like the two of you are going to be playing each other for money or funsy, so the only time you might be paired together again is in another tournament.

Right before you're ready to break, turn around and make an announcement to everyone within earshot with this mocking statement, "I am here to win this match against (so and so) and I'll do it at all cost...even if it requires cheating. So please watch me carefully...the hand is always quicker than the eye". He should be so pissed and embarrassed that he won't be able to even make a hanger.

Then proceed to pound him into the ground. (just don't cheat) ;) :D
 
My advice...keep playing him in tournaments and forget about him and his mouth. People will be the better judge of what is and is not going on in your matches.

Some people never grow up and are just sore losers. I can be a sore loser at times, but sometimes I can be a quiet winner or a loud winner. It truly depends on what's on my mind when I enter a match or tournament.

Keep your distance and keep drilling him when you HAVE to play him. Don't go looking for a battle. Let the battle come to you.

Shorty
 
I can't see that you have a problem, Wayne. The other guy has one, but what's that to you? Life is short; why spend another minute of it thinking about or reacting to this character's behavior? Be cool.--AS
 
MexPoolPlyr said:
Hey Wayne. I know who your talking about. I was there too. That guy definitely has a competitive spirit.lol. You shouldn't have anything to worry about. If it makes you feel better, play him some sets for some lunch money :D . Like Chris said, everyone whose met you will know who to believe. Just like the history of BC... who did you believe of the two owners more??? ;) . Anyways, see ya at the next tourney. Oscar
Click to expand...

Hi Oscar:

I think the playing for money is what started it all. He's a $10.00 a set person which is a little below my interest level in betting but I would play him on occasion. I would generally win the first set and then ease off on the second so we would break even or if I lost the first I would bear down and win the second. One time he beat both sets which was fine by me. Then some guys in the poolhall were telling me he was bragging about being the second best player that plays there other than Max Eberle. So the next time I play him I win 8 straight sets and it ends with him smashing the balls all over the table with his stick and me breaking down my cue saying that's enough. I told him he didn't need to pay me the $80 but he threw it on the table anyway. I never played him again except in the tournaments mentioned.

Wayne
 
Williebetmore said:
Wayne,
You might try talking to the owner. A subtle suggestion that you and every friend you can convince may stop frequenting his pool hall because of this manager's loose tongue. Rather than a threat, you could just say you feel uncomfortable there since the manager has been hanging on to this grudge for so long. If there aren't any other pool halls in town, then you are screwed.
Click to expand...

I may take this advise and talk to the owner just to let him know what is going on. Fortunately I am in L.A. and there are 4 other poolhalls that I frequent that I have a lot of friends/opponents at.

Wayne
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top