How do you use 3M77 ?

Dartman

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For those of you using 3M Super 77 (or 90) there are 2 ways to use it -
as a glue and as a contact adhesive.

As a glue you spray the slate edge then apply the cloth.

As a contact adhesive you spray the slate edge And the cloth, give it 2-3 minutes
to dry and then apply the cloth.

Which method do you use?
 
It depends on the cloth, titan or mali is easily applied by just spraying the edge. The worsted or teflon cloths need to be sprayed on the cloth and the edge of the slate because it has to be pulled so much tighter to make it play faster and not wrinkle or pucker up anywhere.
 
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Dartman said:
For those of you using 3M Super 77 (or 90) there are 2 ways to use it -
as a glue and as a contact adhesive.

As a glue you spray the slate edge then apply the cloth.

As a contact adhesive you spray the slate edge And the cloth, give it 2-3 minutes
to dry and then apply the cloth.

Which method do you use?
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When I use it, I lay down news paper and fold the edge to glued up onto the paper. I spray the edge of the table and the edge of the slate, and the portion of the cloth folded up onto the paper. I wait approximately a minute until the sprayed glue become tacky to the touch on the table and the cloth. Then I pull the folded and glued section of the cloth over the glued section of the table and insure the wrinkles are removed and I press it down. After an additional three minutes the next section can be glued and the cloth can be stretched.

To my knowledge which is limited if you do not do it this way you will not get the best possible bond using that adhesive. In addition if you do not use the news paper or something similar you may get adhesive on the playing surface of the cloth.

Take care
 
Dartman said:
For those of you using 3M Super 77 (or 90) there are 2 ways to use it -
as a glue and as a contact adhesive.

As a glue you spray the slate edge then apply the cloth.

As a contact adhesive you spray the slate edge And the cloth, give it 2-3 minutes
to dry and then apply the cloth.

Which method do you use?
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I use spray 77 to hold the sand paper on my sanding block, does that count?:grin:

Glen
 
I used to use the 2nd method until I got the chance to work with Glen. Now I use it to hold sandpaper on like Glen says... The nutral 10 glue is a 1,000 times better then spray glue with alot less mess.

Then again I haven't had a use or bought a can of spray glue in over a year.

The glue system by Glen is the best way to go if you want true quality work you can put your name on.

Thanks again Glen,

Craig
 
n10spool said:
I used to use the 2nd method until I got the chance to work with Glen. Now I use it to hold sandpaper on like Glen says... The nutral 10 glue is a 1,000 times better then spray glue with alot less mess.

Then again I haven't had a use or bought a can of spray glue in over a year.

The glue system by Glen is the best way to go if you want true quality work you can put your name on.

Thanks again Glen,

Craig
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Your fingers stop bleeding yet Craig?:grin: :grin: :eek: called you, but you didn't answer:rolleyes: :grin:

Glen
 
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As a contact adhesive you spray the slate edge And the cloth, give it 2-3 minutes to dry and then apply the cloth
 
n10spool said:
I used to use the 2nd method until I got the chance to work with Glen. Now I use it to hold sandpaper on like Glen says... The nutral 10 glue is a 1,000 times better then spray glue with alot less mess.

Then again I haven't had a use or bought a can of spray glue in over a year.

The glue system by Glen is the best way to go if you want true quality work you can put your name on.

Thanks again Glen,

Craig
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Well here lies the problem. We are constantly getting little tidbits of this glueing system along with a little berating for good measure. You convinced me a long time ago, now lets share with your fellow mechs.
post it on you tube, hell, do a puppet show!! Anything.
I got paypal, will send 49.99. In the mean time this 20 year hack who evidently does not do QUALITY work has to go to home depot to pick up some 77.:eek:
 
scruffy1 said:
Well here lies the problem. We are constantly getting little tidbits of this glueing system along with a little berating for good measure. You convinced me a long time ago, now lets share with your fellow mechs.
post it on you tube, hell, do a puppet show!! Anything.
I got paypal, will send 49.99. In the mean time this 20 year hack who evidently does not do QUALITY work has to go to home depot to pick up some 77.:eek:
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Hold your horses scruffy:p I'm working on the last table I need pictures of for the directions right now, a GC3 so I can include the Brunswick 3 piece slates with backing in the directions as well. I think I'll be finished with the instructions and ready for release by this Monday:p :D I just have a few details to work out with Simonis, then everythings ready, except for the DVD of course, that'll follow up shortly too. Keep in mind, this is just the begining of what's to come, as I have a lot more knowleage to pass on to everyone still;)

Glen
 
scruffy1 said:
Well here lies the problem. We are constantly getting little tidbits of this glueing system along with a little berating for good measure. You convinced me a long time ago, now lets share with your fellow mechs.
post it on you tube, hell, do a puppet show!! Anything.
I got paypal, will send 49.99. In the mean time this 20 year hack who evidently does not do QUALITY work has to go to home depot to pick up some 77.:eek:
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Glen, taught me his technique with no hesitation.
 
I would also like to learn his technique so my customers aren't "missing out" because I do it my way. I have done over 90 tables so far this year without 1 call back for any reason, If that can be improved on I am all for it.
 
mechanic/player said:
If that can be improved on I am all for it.
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How many other mechanics recover pool tables in your area? Because if they're still recovering pool tables, you're not recovering as many as you can, now are you?:D :wink:

Glen
 
I am so glad you asked that question:D . No I am not recovering as many as I could because I make enuff money from the ones that I do get. We are 7 months into 08 and I have only worked about 100 days this year , I enjoy my time off entirely too much.

There are 2 others in my town that like to hear themselves talk much more than I do. 1 of them tells everyone that he is the best period, that he did the tables for the color of money, that he does tables that cost in excess of $250,000,this guy is ok but far from the best. He fills all screw holes with bondo and uses 3/8 in staples for the rails and cloth and 2 staples for each strap of a leather drop pocket.

The other brags that he is brunswick authorized and certified, one of 25 brunswick tournament installers, that he is the best on the east coast,that his cheap tables he sells are made the way brunswick used to make there tables and on and on. This guy uses a ball to level his tables only, no machinist level at all just 2 torpedo levels and he places the ball in the middle of each slate to test the level. This guy uses a 1/4 in drive ratchet to assemble any table he does.

Both of these guys complain that I do my pockets wrong( I have always done my pockets just like you do) they also ***** because I glue the slates as well.

I do not have the hot air that they blow around so no I dont do as many as I could. Funny thing tho, all 3 of us have worked for the same dealer and they no longer work for that dealer but I do. They have started there own small stores and do nothing but complain about me and the dealer I do tables for.

I was never one to toot my own horn and these guys both claim to be the best but are much better at bs ing than I am so they fool alot of customers into thinking they are so good . I have followed these guys and it is a true nightmare to work on tables they installed .
 
I have to go back on their tables sometimes for warranty claims and I hear all the bs they sling and it just makes me sick to my stomach. I also get alot of their customers the next time they need something done because the customer no longer wants to deal with them.

I have been told several times that the customer would let their table sit in pieces on the floor before they would ever let them install their tables because they are so arrogant on the phone.

I have had dealers in the Richmond area tell me that I cannot do a 9 ft table by myself, we both know that it can be done easily if you are educated enuff.

So I hope you understand why it may bother me when someone on here tells me my ways are not as good as someone elses and that my customers are missing out, especially when they know nothing about me.
 
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In my spare time I am restoring an antique table for a local doctor at the university here. Its getting the pockets restored from Hood, I am installing new diamond sights/markers, new k 55 cushions, new brass escussions and she wants olive cenntenial cloth. I am doing the job for $6,500 and am almost ready to apply the stain which will be either red mahogany or a lighter colored red oak.

I have alot of respect for you Glen not only for the table work you do but the driving as well. You are surely the best at what we do. I am sure of this.
 
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mechanic/player said:
In my spare time I am restoring an antique table for a local doctor at the university here. Its getting the pockets restored from Hood, I am installing new diamond sights/markers, new k 55 cushions, new brass escussions and she wants olive cenntenial cloth. I am doing the job for $6,500 and am almost ready to apply the stain which will be either red mahogany or a lighter colored red oak.

I have alot of respect for you Glen not only for the table work you do but the driving as well. You are surely the best at what we do. I am sure of this.
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You have my respect for sure, all mechanics do from the start I assure you. I'm not trying, nor would I ever put down someones way of working on pool tables, all I ask, is give me a chance to share what I know how to do very well, the rest is up to you if you like the way I do the work that I do. I don't want to shove my work down anyone's throat, but I would really like to see some kind of standard when it comes to our trade, and at the same time, I'd hope to learn something from you in return when we get a chance to meet, and I assure you we will:D

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
I use spray 77 to hold the sand paper on my sanding block, does that count?:grin:
Glen
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Umm, mine has clampdown clips :grin:

This thread wasn't meant to be a contest between 3M77/90 and 3M10 but I figured there
would be some comments to that effect.

I have no doubt that 3M10 works well and I know there's more to it then just the glue.
Credit to you for developing a better way to install/glue cloth.

Until more mechanics pick up on using 3M10 they will continue with 77/90.
Doesn't make it wrong but then again there's many that don't cope with change very well.

Hopefully a movement to 10 will begin when (and if) the dvd ever gets on the market. :duck:
 
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