How do you win from here? - Stripes

I'm with Andrew on this one......

I would shoot the 3 into the 11, pocketing the 11, moving the 3 in front of the pocket. The cue ball would then roll up one diamond from the side pocket, forcing my opponent to kick.

I am favored to win this battle as solids !!!

Russ........
 
poolhustler said:
I'm with Andrew on this one......

I would shoot the 3 into the 11, pocketing the 11, moving the 3 in front of the pocket. The cue ball would then roll up one diamond from the side pocket, forcing my opponent to kick.

I am favored to win this battle as solids !!!

Russ........
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As solids, it's pretty hard to lose here if you ever shoot again, but right now, the turn belongs to stripes. The thread asks how can you win if your stripes, and that's rather a different matter.
 
Southpaw said:
Nothing is too pretty here....I might even take a flyer and try and bank the 8 on the 11 with the speed to keep the 8 hung up in the pocket after making the 11. Yeah its a long-shot, but like I said nothing else looks too pretty. JMO.

Southpaw
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I was thinking along these lines, too, but banking the 8 a bit short with pocket speed to go on the foot rail between the 3 and 11. If you hit anything, there's a fair chance to tie something up.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Your opponent screwed the pooch. After your first foul, he should have comboed/caromed (whichever he likes) to make a good hit and sink the 11, breaking out the 3-5 in the process, and playing easy position to hook you behind the 6. Your kick at the 8 would be an inevitable sell-out, and if you tried tying his balls back up, he could still break them and play safe behind the 6. You won because you were playing someone with very poor strategy.

What I would have done in this situation (your first diagram) is move the 6-ball to the right end rail. This takes away the automatic safety valve for your opponent to be able to pocket the 11 with impunity. Then when he takes ball in hand and safes you back (since you say the 3 won't go, he has no run-out, so he'll play safe), then you can tie his balls up and wait for him to make a mistake. As diagrammed here, though, unless you move the 6 ball, he shouldn't ever have to give you a chance to win this rack.
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You've pretty much said it all. The opponent could have easily trapped you after shot 1 by making the 11. I think your solution to move the 6 is absolutely the best option. But I think any way you cut it stripes are at a disadvantage from the start.
 
gpeezy said:
I'd jump it in.
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It's APA league, full cue required. George, next time I see you we have a proposition bet for my $20 I owe you. Double or nothing you don't jump that in and stay on the table with a full cue.
 
iba7467 said:

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This game became very defensive with intentional fouls from both players. The progression of the tables shows how I was able to win. Please note the pockets were too tight to allow my opponents ball to go in off of mine, which would give me a shot on the 8, which is why I did what I did in the later table.

How would you play it differently? Would you go for the kick or masse?
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Take a foul and tie up the 5, 3.
 
gpeezy said:
I'd jump it in.
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Great idea! You could get shape on the 8 by hitting the edge of the 11.

Edit: thinking about it further, this is by far the best option.

2nd edit: Didn't read the whole thread and did not realize no jumpers. Pretty difficult jump with full cue. Me <-----only ever played in one APA event (US Am's '99).
 
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CrownCityCorey said:
Great idea! You could get shape on the 8 by hitting the edge of the 11.
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See, this is why I hate short-cue jump shots. This shouldn't even be an option. The thought shouldn't even cross your mind. Ten years ago, thinking about jumping here would be about as sane as waiting for an earthquake powerful enough to reposition the balls.
 
Ten years ago, thinking about jumping here would be about as sane as waiting for an earthquake powerful enough to reposition the balls.
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Funny you should mention that. Just a few weeks ago during league nite, one teammate lost his game as a 5.+ earthquake hit just as he was shooting on the 8. He missed. I had to wonder what the rule is for Acts of God?

I'm most bummed that I didn't get to see how the ball actually tracked on the long roll during the quake, but I was too busy looking at all the lamps swinging and checking to see what was right over my head.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
See, this is why I hate short-cue jump shots. This shouldn't even be an option. The thought shouldn't even cross your mind. Ten years ago, thinking about jumping here would be about as sane as waiting for an earthquake powerful enough to reposition the balls.
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I have never cared much about jump cues. I rarely use them as my kicking game is stronger than my jumping; however if the right shot comes up, then I damn sure will be getting shorty. I do pretty well with those little guys too. :cool:

If my opponent wants to use shorty all day long let him! He'll soon become the victim of tighter lock downs. He'll think better of learning how to kick after not too long :D
 

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With the caveat that being new, I sometimes have a go-for-it attitude.

That said, I laid out the above and figured if I could pass the 6 to see the corner, a slightly elevated high left english gave me a bit of extra curve around the 6, and enough reverse to come down the rail fairly straight

It was even money for me to make the 11 and get position, foul out missing the 11, or make a legal hit. On 10 tries I got 3, 3, and 4 respectively. (edit: Last night when I set this up in my garage, I played the 11 just on the tip of the corner instead of in the jaws. Playing the shot again this morning keeping the 11 in the jaws, I was 50-50 to make or foul)

I know, I know, just another newbie, no-nothing idiot spouting off, so commence floggings as you see fit.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:

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Has this been mentioned? Looks kinda obvious to me.

pj
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Question? Aren't you kind of deep into the corner on this shot? The reason that I ask is I have always gone by measuring the distance from the pocket that I am shooting towards and shooting into the same diamond on the long rail that you did.

1 3/4 diamonds over from the pocket, I would shoot through 1 3/4 diamonds from the upper left pocket.

Using straight high english. The only time I get into coming up short is when the cb gets closer to the pocket I am shooting towards.

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Aren't you kind of deep into the corner on this shot?
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Maybe (although a little right spin would cure that if so). Anyway, it's obvious that the shot can miss the obstacles (at least as obvious as it gets on the Wei table) - the precise CB path isn't important.

pj
chgo
 
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