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astandrich

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So, I was left with this shot on the 9 ball.

My thought was to try the bank but load up with left on the cue ball and hope it tightens up the bank angle enough to throw it in... but I still got a double kiss and left him with an easy out.

Any ideas to share, or do I just need to practice that shot more?

Thanks!
Anthony

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Here's my attempt to draw what I tried:

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Edit: I take my original post back. I set it up on my table and did the same thing you did. Ok, lets get someone in here that knows what there doing lol
 
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Unless your playing on a bar box (and even then) this is a double kiss for the 1 rail bank back to the corner pocket. I'd try 2 rails to the side like this;

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You CAN bank that ball straight back. Its the opening shot on Freddy Bentivegas bank that dont go but do video.
 
Unless I'm missing something here, what's wrong with a simple kick into the pocket it's close to?
 
you gotta be kidding????

supergreenman said:
Unless your playing on a bar box (and even then) this is a double kiss for the 1 rail bank back to the corner pocket. I'd try 2 rails to the side like this;

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I'd give you the shot you describe ALL DAY!
All decent players would play the long rail kick and make the 9 a high % of the time.
I dream about meeting players that take on the shot you describe.
 
supergreenman said:
Unless your playing on a bar box (and even then) this is a double kiss for the 1 rail bank back to the corner pocket. I'd try 2 rails to the side like this;

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This is the only shot jumping out at me. If you hit it good and hold the CB against the OB rail, sometimes you can leave them hard if the OB doesn't go. Long bank is an option but a hard one.
 
Shortside K said:
I'd give you the shot you describe ALL DAY!
All decent players would play the long rail kick and make the 9 a high % of the time.
I dream about meeting players that take on the shot you describe.
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I am a decent player and with that 9 froze on rail, it might go about half of the 3 rail in the side.
 
I've seen the three rails in the side go but it seemed like mostly showing off. I wouldn't play it in a serious match. There are two ways to tighten up an angle. If it's frozen to the rail and the double kiss is really on, soft with maximum inside will help most. I don't think high or low helps here, just pure inside. When it's not frozen, pure force will tighten up any bank a surprising amount. I've seen shots I was sure couldn't fit be shortened enough by just crushing the shot.

In this case, I don't think either can do it. I would probably go for the kick on a familiar table and feel like I'm 65% to make it. Being frozen does make the kick harder too. If it's an unfamiliar table I might try for some rail-to-rail safe that leaves them a length of the table bank. But is there a way to play that from here?
 
astandrich said:
So, I was left with this shot on the 9 ball.

My thought was to try the bank but load up with left on the cue ball and hope it tightens up the bank angle enough to throw it in... but I still got a double kiss and left him with an easy out.

Any ideas to share, or do I just need to practice that shot more?

Thanks!
Anthony

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Here's my attempt to draw what I tried:

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This shot came up a couple months ago and I believe it was Neil that said to play the double kiss off the left side to bank cross side pocket. After he posted that I tried it quite a few times and it was almost a dead bank.

Looks something like this...

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Give it a try. You'll be surprised.
 
I use the diamond system

Go three rails with the rock. Very little spin and play the shot winner. If missed the 9 rock should go up table and the cue to the back rail.
The safe is a very stressful play afterwords and will happen alot. The 9 froze to the rail is tough but played right leaves a pure nightmare if missed for your opponent.
It should be made more than 50% of the time. The safe is 3 out of 10. They see a winner 20%.
One rail kick goes more but can scratch and leaves a play more times than not.
If the rock passes and allows a bank favoring the back rail helps if you miss.
Always play on the 9 with the intention of winning and not selling out the hard leaves..

Nick :)
 
Neil said:
The one rail bank does go... technically. Being the cb is froze to the rail also, it makes the bank even lower percentage than it already is. While it does go, there is no way I would be trying it unless I had no other choice.

The 3 rail bank, while seemingly crazy to some, is not that low a percentage shot for someone familiar with it. However, I wouldn't be going for it in this case.

The kick would be my first choice to try and make it. Cutting it would be my second choice, but, I really don't like the cut with the cb froze. It requires a small masse or curve to make the cut.

Game situation, below is what I am going to do. I don't like giving my opponent a shot at the 9, but I figure I'm low percentage to make the ball anyways. Since he is probably getting to the table anyways, I might as well make it as hard on him as I can. I'm leaving a bank on the 9 for him, but if I do it right, he has to reach besides just make the bank. Hopefully, he misses it.

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That's what I would try to do in a serious game. If I'm goofing around I might try the long rail kick but it is a dangerous shot because if you are a little off you probably leave him an easy shot on the 9.

But then I'm just a banger.
 
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nick serdula said:
Go three rails with the rock. Very little spin and play the shot winner. If missed the 9 rock should go up table and the cue to the back rail.
The safe is a very stressful play afterwords and will happen alot. The 9 froze to the rail is tough but played right leaves a pure nightmare if missed for your opponent.
It should be made more than 50% of the time. The safe is 3 out of 10. They see a winner 20%.
One rail kick goes more but can scratch and leaves a play more times than not.
If the rock passes and allows a bank favoring the back rail helps if you miss.
Always play on the 9 with the intention of winning and not selling out the hard leaves..

Nick :)
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I'm with Nick on this one. Know the diamond system and kick that baby in!
 
what's "supposed" to happen if you 3 rail kick and it misses? I've 3 rail kicked the CB right in the hole here lol. But I'm trying to envision the stressful outcome if you miss the kick.
 
Neil said:
The one rail bank does go... technically. Being the cb is froze to the rail also, it makes the bank even lower percentage than it already is. While it does go, there is no way I would be trying it unless I had no other choice.

The 3 rail bank, while seemingly crazy to some, is not that low a percentage shot for someone familiar with it. However, I wouldn't be going for it in this case.

The kick would be my first choice to try and make it. Cutting it would be my second choice, but, I really don't like the cut with the cb froze. It requires a small masse or curve to make the cut.

Game situation, below is what I am going to do. I don't like giving my opponent a shot at the 9, but I figure I'm low percentage to make the ball anyways. Since he is probably getting to the table anyways, I might as well make it as hard on him as I can. I'm leaving a bank on the 9 for him, but if I do it right, he has to reach besides just make the bank. Hopefully, he misses it.

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I'm going with Neil here.
The bank back only makes sense at 1-hole when there's only 1 pocket
to sell out to.
The kicks are not reasonable because both balls are froze.
Remember,this is not a repetitive situation..you have to make it first
shot in a game under heat.
Play safe...leave the Star Trek solutions to Spock...jmo...and Neil's
 
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