How good are you???

Not as big as it appears

I am good friends with "player A" and have watched him take this spot from several strong road players that are discussed on here. "player A" has a tremendously powerful break that sometimes gets him in trouble in these games. I personally think that these road players are so good at disguising a bad rack, that the break turns in to a spot for them instead. When he starts getting behind in these games, he tries to break harder and harder with no better results. I have tried to tell him to try breaking softer, but in his mind it is hard to try, especially when you are betting 5 or 10 dimes on a single race. Also, if he does make a shot and doesn't have a good shot on the 1, these road players move and kick so well, he hardly ever wins any games in which the road player gets to the table. At first glance it would seem like a no brainer when you hear the spot, but until you see it unfold before your eyes, the weight doesn't seem as much for a true world beater. When he was first offered this weight, I thought there was no way he could lose, now, I don't think he has a chance unless he breaks exceptionally well, and Klocdoc is not over estimating his skill level.

Btw, this is my first post after lurking for a month or so and plan on posting more often. I enjoy reading the threads on here, it helps time pass during the day when not much is going on in the office.
 
I've seen Cliff give the 3,5, 7 and the break on the barbox to a player that plays a six or seven speed in the APA. You'd better not let Cliff rack.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I would take that spot from Efren Reyes. This is assuming that we are on a quality bar table, like the Diamond. On those tables, I make a ball on the break the majority of the time, and then I really only need to to make a few balls. Yeah, bring it on Efren.

For what it is worth, I too am a mighty APA7!! Let that add a little fear to his game!

Kerry
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I would take that spot from Efren Reyes. This is assuming that we are on a quality bar table, like the Diamond. On those tables, I make a ball on the break the majority of the time, and then I really only need to to make a few balls. Yeah, bring it on Efren.

For what it is worth, I too am a mighty APA7!! Let that add a little fear to his game!

Kerry
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I played masters division, and was undefeated 12-0, and I might not like it. So, don't ask for what you just might get. I have played a lot of top pros with the six and the break. I am probably up on them, but I have lost some sets. You keep coming up dry on the break (by letting them rack), and you might as well be playing even. It's gambling, if you don't play a shortstop or better speed.
 
John Barton said:
It goes like this:

"I might give you what you want but I will never give you what you need".

Unknown Road Player
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That has to be the best statement I've ever heard. True, how true.
 
me

klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones edited : (This is played on a bar table)

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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im a ledgion in my on mind!!! wait what we talking about?????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Any road agent coming into your pool room looking for action is there for a reason. Players don't come around when they are playing badly. And if they are giving you a spot, it will be one they know they can win with. Getting the breaks, I would negotiate that I rack as well.

As for the APA, you can't go by those spots. I am a 9 in 9ball and can give a lot of the 7's the 7 out and the break. But there are some pro level players in the APA at SL 6's and could give me the world and they'll like it.

As for the above mentioned spot, I don't gamble high. But I would with that.

Christian
 
If I get to rack, I would be willing to go broke with this spot.

If he gets to rack, forget it.
 
cmsmith9 said:
As for the APA, you can't go by those spots. I am a 9 in 9ball and can give a lot of the 7's the 7 out and the break. But there are some pro level players in the APA at SL 6's and could give me the world and they'll like it. Christian
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The original statement in my thread as Player A being an APA 6 level was intended to be used as a reference to his playing ability. There was nothing "hidden" in this statement. If you are familiar with the league handicapping system, under normal circumstances, this was just to give you an idea of how Player A plays.

Cuaba said:
If I get to rack, I would be willing to go broke with this spot.

If he gets to rack, forget it.
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What do you think:D
 
I think I would have to take that weight from any one on the planet. Hell with a neutral racker on a bar box i might try it one handed......lol
 
I would have to try this game. 3/5/7 and the break on a bar box and Joyner has action too. We all sound like big egos saying we would send it in were this game offered, but the idea that I can get beat with that game is something I would lose a healthy chunk of dough being shown otherwise. 3/5/7 and break on the small track and its hard to turn it down unless the other side wanted to bet so high that if I lost my family would be out in the streets.

I agree completely with what others have said about Pro players being able to give up tremendous weight and still win, but I just would have to try it out. I work, I have money in the bank. The worst that could happen is that I will have to wake up the next day and go back to work to make some more dough.

I also agree that I too would be an ass about the rack being tight. If i'm losing that game, its because I got beat by Mr World Champion, and not Mr El Sluggo.
 
beat this

I could have this a little wrong but I've seen Tater give a guy the breaks, ball in hand, and the last six and beat a guy. The guy wasn't a great player but I would have thought he'd do better in the game.
 
uwate said:
I would have to try this game. 3/5/7 and the break on a bar box and Joyner has action too. We all sound like big egos saying we would send it in were this game offered, but the idea that I can get beat with that game is something I would lose a healthy chunk of dough being shown otherwise. 3/5/7 and break on the small track and its hard to turn it down unless the other side wanted to bet so high that if I lost my family would be out in the streets.

I agree completely with what others have said about Pro players being able to give up tremendous weight and still win, but I just would have to try it out. I work, I have money in the bank. The worst that could happen is that I will have to wake up the next day and go back to work to make some more dough.

I also agree that I too would be an ass about the rack being tight. If i'm losing that game, its because I got beat by Mr World Champion, and not Mr El Sluggo.
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Well, I played him with the six and the break and ended up one set ahead. But, we doubled the bet on the last set, so I broke even. Think about it. Say you break, make a ball (50%?). There is a forty five percent chance you have an opening shot, and a good chance that there is a ball tied up. Those percentages drop the running out odds a lot lower. The six almost isn't a factor. Most of the time, you're going to get out from the six, anyway. It does help on the break about one in 19 times? Lay out all of the odds and it isn't what it appears. If you play a champion with one money ball and the break, you'd better be making balls on the break. And... don't let them alcohol, powder or otherwise doctor the balls.
 
Cuaba said:
Klockdoc,
I swear the girl in your avatar works at the strip joint here in town.
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Yeah, this is from a new ti..ie bar that recently opened here. She wiggles, but, my .gif is too large to function. I am going to have to resize it. ;)
 
I turned down the 3-out once... from Jack Hynes... but not because I thought I couldn't win... :p

I'm willing to believe that minus the break, a top player could spot me just about anything and win in the long run.
 
klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones edited : (This is played on a bar table)

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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I play good enough to work for a living ;)

but I will take the handspan from any human (most other species as well).
 
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