How much a league operator should make?
- Thread starter bnall
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Get your calculator out. Multiply the number of paid players per week by the weekly dues. Multiply that number by the number of league nights per year. Add to that any annual dues paid. Then deduct any fees that need to go to the sanctioning league office. Then deduct office expenses, postage, travel expenses, expenses for trophies and plaques, and prizes for the league champions. If you send teams to the national championships, deduct those expenses. If you have any office help, you need to figure those salaries. Chances are, you are starting to see that your league operator is not getting rich off of the $5 per week.
Steve
Steve
bnall said:
Is it an in-house league or a traveling league ?
Anyway, I used to own the Buckeye Pool League (Traveling Bar League) and after years of being in the Biz I made a decision to never charge the players a penny. I paid back 100% of all players monies. What I did charge were the bars that the teams played in. I charged the bars $15 per player on each team and an additional $20 ($10 for each team everytime they played at home).
I never heard another complaint from the players and profits whent through the roof.
I ran 2, 16 week sessions and 1, 12 week summer session. Also, I ran several divisions and some had different league names but the format was the same. It grew from 40 teams to over 300. The leagues were not sanctioned with any other league and all the prize money was paid back along with a huge party at the end of each session.
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0, zip, nada. It should be done for the love of the game. That's my opinion, and I think I'm more than intitled to it. Especially since I've spent the about 8 hours this week working on posters and websites and meetings with other directors in order to get our league ready for the fall.
We are the new league in town and we are by far the most resonable when it comes to fees and benifits for the host halls. $1 per player per week goes towards administration the host halls table time is covered and the rest of the money goes into the prize pool.
We are the new league in town and we are by far the most resonable when it comes to fees and benifits for the host halls. $1 per player per week goes towards administration the host halls table time is covered and the rest of the money goes into the prize pool.
bnall said:
Well, you could use the guidelines I stated or you could charge a flat fee of $1-$2 per player per week depending upon the weekly dues. You should also consider if and how much of the session fees you should keep. Also, a 30 week session is pretty long and it deprives you of any said repetative fees from the registration fees. I highly suggest 2, 16 week sessions which will also give you an opportunity to bring new teams into the league and increase your earnings potential and guarantee growth of the league system.
Mj
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bnall...I would charge the players $1 per player per week. That's fair for the work you have to do. All the rest goes back to the players.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee said:
Scott, most traveling leagues were charging $1 back in the 80's and early 90's. Surely with todays gas prices, copy prices and admin costs you cant possibly think its still only worth that same $1 ?
Think about it for a second.. This operator would have to go to 13 different locations 2x per week (once to drop off info and 1x to pick it up) and you expect them to only charge $104 per week. You have got to be joking. After the fuel costs, car maintenance, copies other BS costs the operator would actually be paying the players to provide this service to them.
$2340.00 which is 15% of the total take. A league operator is like a manager, and everyone knows a manager get's 15%.
26X5X4X30=$15600X15%=$2340.
You could save some hassle by mailing the score sheets to the team captain of the home team. Postage is cheaper than fuel.
Banger
26X5X4X30=$15600X15%=$2340.
You could save some hassle by mailing the score sheets to the team captain of the home team. Postage is cheaper than fuel.
Banger
Well i run a bunch of leagues...I charge $30 per team and at least 1 player on the team has to have an e-mail address to recieve the standing each week..If they dont have a e-mail then it is there responiblity to pick the standings up each week at the drop off spot...So now that I have zero expense I think $30 per team is resonible..
MikeJanis said:
The league operator in my area runs the entire state of Delaware, he's got more than 26 teams per night Monday through Thursday, runs 3 sessions a year and charges $6/player with 5 guys playing per team per night. For the actual amount of work I perceive him to do (maybe underestimating the work load) I think 15% of the take is reasonable. None of the money seems to flow to the players on a local level except for 1/2 the hotel cost if, and that's a big if, you make it to Vegas. Win an individual qualifier and you're on your own.
I'd love that kind of minimal effort maximum payoff money if I were an operator.
Banger
I play in an APA league. 8 ball bar table. The league operator does NOT drive any where. We, team captains, drop off the paper work at a central location the day after we play. We then pick up the new paper work 3 days later. The league operator is often not even available by phone on league nights to resolve rule disputes. Each player pays $7. I don't think any location takes any money from the league. The house owners just want the players to buy beer.
If saving gas money is your goal might I suggest a league website?
I play in a league and here is the website: www.brokencue.com
Kevin is the webmaster and his link is on the site as well if you are interested in a getting a similar system for you.
I play in a league and here is the website: www.brokencue.com
Kevin is the webmaster and his link is on the site as well if you are interested in a getting a similar system for you.
LILJOHN30 said:
LILJOHN30, I'm not sure I understand your post. Do you take part in our events that are currently averaging 100 participants per weekend or our $25,000 Guaranteed Added National Championship or our $22,500 Southern Classic events ?
Since the inception of the tour I have done everything I promised. Everytime profits increased I increased the # of events and the amount of added money to the tour. When we started we only has $13,000 added per year with 17 events and next year we will have 141 events with over $100,000 added. We have the largest continious member base of any tour in the nation. In fact, our membership and annual participation is larger than the other top 3 tour combined.
I would call the tours success many things over it's 14 year history but never messed up.
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I think there's a rule of thumb I read somewhere (in another thread, maybe if you search for the words league, atlanta, and million you'll find it) about what to expect for profit, and it came down to 5 bucks a head per week if you're doing everything right. I think that's assuming you're charging 20ish per year per player, and 8-10ish per week per player. So 26 teams * 5 players * 5 bucks means 650 a week maybe, if everything's going well. It ain't mcdonald's money but it's not get rich quick either.