How much does the butt matter for LD shafts?
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not sure, I use a predator 314 2, so if the butt doesn't matter, then all cues with a 314 2 shaft should hit the same, but they don't. Take into consideration the weight distribution, the type of joint, and believe it or not the amount of inlays makes a difference. I hit with a p2 and p3 cue themselves though, and I didn't notice any difference from a regular butt verses the ld butts.
??? I am calling bullshit on this one!
I might be talked into buying the joint argument... But I have to draw the line at inlays making a difference in the hit.
Weight and balance point..if those are the same then there isnt going to be a big difference at all.
I don't think the butt doesn't matter.......
Even if 2 butts have the same weight and balance point, they can have different joints let's say that a metallic threaded joint feels different than a 3/8 10 flat face, a phenolic joint collar hits different than a ivory one and so on. To me the cue is like a pie, every component has his contribution for the final taste.
Even if 2 butts have the same weight and balance point, they can have different joints let's say that a metallic threaded joint feels different than a 3/8 10 flat face, a phenolic joint collar hits different than a ivory one and so on. To me the cue is like a pie, every component has his contribution for the final taste.
I promise you that if we could devise a way to have a "pepsi taste test" between butts.. that you could NOT tell me the difference between a cue with 18 inlays vs. one with 50.
Joints .. ok ... but not to a huge degree.
I believe Courtney.....cuz shes totally hot.
Balance point, weight and diameter of the butt, wrapless/type of wrap and the joint type are things to cosider for personal preferance but for overall "performance" if you use a LD shaft then you can do some switching from butt to butt without worrying too much about "playability" as long as you are using the same LD shaft.
For me, joint type effects the feel of the hit more than anything else when using a LD shaft because the shaft has a designated ferrule/tip in a lot of cases. Yes, I realize you can change the ferrule/tip as well but I myself would stay with my stock 314-2 shaft and a triangle tip if I were to change cues (butts) at any time in the near future. If I wanted to change the "feel" of the hit I might go back to a radial pin with wood/wood type joint vs. the 5/16 X 14 piloted type I use now with my current playing cue.
There's my $.02 for the day. Keep the change.
For me, joint type effects the feel of the hit more than anything else when using a LD shaft because the shaft has a designated ferrule/tip in a lot of cases. Yes, I realize you can change the ferrule/tip as well but I myself would stay with my stock 314-2 shaft and a triangle tip if I were to change cues (butts) at any time in the near future. If I wanted to change the "feel" of the hit I might go back to a radial pin with wood/wood type joint vs. the 5/16 X 14 piloted type I use now with my current playing cue.
There's my $.02 for the day. Keep the change.
I have played with 314 2 on a Lucasi, and the same shaft on a P2 leopard. HUGE difference !!!
About the inlays, I tend to agree with you, it has to do more with the wood type.
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Hou much does the butt matter for the LD shafts?
The OB shaft makers have made a butt to match their OB shafts and that butt DOES have engineering that adds to the performance of the cue! Is there a reason that John Schmidt IS winning with an OB cue ???
The OB shaft makers have made a butt to match their OB shafts and that butt DOES have engineering that adds to the performance of the cue! Is there a reason that John Schmidt IS winning with an OB cue ???
Suspect that John can win with any of the well made cues on the market.
To a degree it all matters. Even the bumper or lack of one.
You have to hit with different butts to find what feels right to YOU.
You have to hit with different butts to find what feels right to YOU.
Well, I'll probably be skewered for this, but 90% of the performance of the "cue" is in the shaft (don;'t forget the tip though). IMO, the butt can be interchanged with minimal effect by contrast to the shaft.
My reason for believing this is: I have TRIED multiple butts with my LD shaft of choice and find very little variance. You can feel the difference in wrap type in your hand, you can feel the slight change in balance (which could be tailored to some degree with bolts), and you can feel the variance in weight. Other than that, I don't feel the butt provides any other coloring to the "playability".
Case in point, I have an old 314 that I keep on a $30 action butt. I can play as well with that combo as I do with the same shaft on my Schon or my Joss or my Wife's Pechauer.
If you look at my youtube site, you will see me switching around between them...the shaft is always the same.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mosconiac
My reason for believing this is: I have TRIED multiple butts with my LD shaft of choice and find very little variance. You can feel the difference in wrap type in your hand, you can feel the slight change in balance (which could be tailored to some degree with bolts), and you can feel the variance in weight. Other than that, I don't feel the butt provides any other coloring to the "playability".
Case in point, I have an old 314 that I keep on a $30 action butt. I can play as well with that combo as I do with the same shaft on my Schon or my Joss or my Wife's Pechauer.
If you look at my youtube site, you will see me switching around between them...the shaft is always the same.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mosconiac
John Schmidt could beat most of us using a broom stick, using the bristle end to hit the cue ball. Schmidt is just a geat player. He likes the ob shaft because they sponsor him. Earl Strickland won many tournaments using a cue tech. If Schmidt was sponsored by another stick he would get used to it and still win.
Other than the feel of the hit the butt has nothing to do with how the cue ball reacts. Different joints have different feels. The tip and the first third of the shaft are all that matters.
Other than the feel of the hit the butt has nothing to do with how the cue ball reacts. Different joints have different feels. The tip and the first third of the shaft are all that matters.
yeah....there is a reason.
He's a gawd damn stud....
There is'nt a butt design that will add performance to a shaft... unless the shaft has some type of anomally that makes it only work that butt.
LOL. Nonsense.
Is there a reason he's winning while wearing those shoes? OK, low squirt might have some practical effect on his game, but the butt? LOL.
pj
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So? Is that what's next? Low Squirt billiard shoes?
And what does his billiard shoes have to do with his butt?
Brian