How much more accurate are the REVO shafts?

[hang-the-9]

Exactly and right on. I play with the Predator LE-4 Roadline and the REVO 12.9MM shaft. Best combo I've ever held in my hands. We've got to remember that most pool players can't afford their share of the rent this month much less spend $500 on a shaft so naturally, they will scoff without getting to try the REVO. AZB does certainly have it's aspiring comedians and clowns. Must be kind of a proving ground before they dress up as clowns for the kid's birthday party.

Anyone on here that tries out shafts and cues can afford the shaft (outside of the silliness or pricing a shaft for that much), and the players that would use it as a pro probably get it for free. The Revo is not made for low income bar players. And I don't know of many, if any of those, that comment on AZB.

What I have seen is that quite a bit of pro players are using the revo to break with, then switch to their normal cues to play with. I guess it's a good $500 break shaft LOL.

 

[cookie man]

Reminds me of all the CTE type aiming systems over the last 20 years. Each one was proclaimed to be perfect for all shots dead center pocket until another version came out after which everyone admits the last version really wasn't so great. And so it will be with the current version in time once the new one comes along as the cycle continues.

Stupid post of the day

 

[Poolplaya9]

Stupid post of the day

Since when did accuracy and being right become stupid?

The history is all on the forums for anybody to see. Go back to the first CTE version you can find and read about it in the forums. All those who use it will be saying it is perfect 100% of the time. Then when the next version comes out, what you will see is that everybody using it who formerly used the original version will be saying 2.0 is absolutely perfect 100% of the time, and that 1.0 really wasn't perfect after all but 2.0 solved the issues and 2.0 is now perfect. Then skip ahead to 3.0, and the people that use it that formerly used 2.0 will be saying it is 100% perfect all of the time, and that 2.0 wasn't really perfect after all, but 3.0 took care of those problems and now it is actually perfect. The process continues up until today with the current most widely accepted version 47.0, where those that use it currently say it is perfect. And once this current version gets changed again, which will without a doubt happen, you will once again hear the admissions that this current version really wasn't so perfect after all. Perfect things don't need changing, and its a wonder people keep falling for all the nonsense, particularly after a long established pattern.

 

[Ak Guy]

So hard to know, for me......

I have been using Diveney Lake Salvage 12.5 mm shafts for several years now and like them. Pat recently made me a 12.75 mm LD maple shaft and is making me a 12.5 mm maple LD shaft.

Some day I will have him make me up one of his new LD shafts out of Kiel wood. I really want the LD shafts to work for me and improve my game and if I thought I would get a consistent 5% or more improvement in my game I would buy a Revo shaft.

I am just not a good enough player to give a real in depth accurate review of a shaft and it's deflection qualities. I have tried the old Meucci Black Dot and a modified OB Classic and liked the Black Dot the best, until I tried Diveney's new LD maple shaft.

I like the idea of using an all maple shaft and at my age I should know better then to be and equipment chasing junkie. But, I do hit the long straight in medium speed or harder draw shot better with the Diveney LD maple shaft, I noticed that right away.

Would I do better with a Revo, ya got me.

I would like to see a list of the pro players who are using the Revo shaft if any one has one.

 

[JoeyA]

"Special" REVO being delivered today.............

JoeyA

 

[johnnysd]

Played with a Revo for about an hour the other day. Finished having no real opinion of it. Feel and sound was very different but not difficult to get used to. Played stiff but not too difficult to get some action on the ball.

But, noticed no difference in shot making capability. I adjusted to the deflection but did not feel that is was an "easier" adjustment than any other cue. But I was underwhelmed.

I really don't get the whole LD thing. Of the reasons I miss a shot I would say that not accounting for deflection is so far down the list as to be almost irrelevant. I mean how many shots in an entire match do you play with maximum English at high speed?

Now having said that, I do think that lower deflection helps a little on a specific shot which is straight-ish in along the short rail into the corner where you need to cheat the pocket a little and hit high running English to double the rail and come out towards the middle. LD does help there, but I am also aware of deflection on that particular shot so it is pretty simple to adjust for. But in 100 of those shots I will likely make 1 or 2 more with LD shaft

However, even with that exception, I will take the feel, consistency and finesse of the shafts on my Lambros over any LD shaft every day.

 

[MitchAlsup]

Predator REVO shafts are on average 5-10% more accurate than Predator’s third-generation shafts, depending on the velocity of the cue ball, distance to the object ball, and amount of spin used.

Here is a scientific laboratory translation of the above statement.

They took the previous generation predator shafts and hooked them up to a robot.
Then they shot 100-1000 balls and record where on the far bumper each shot touches all using the same positioning of the robot. If the test were laboratory grade science they would have reconfigured the robot to shoot differently {speed, top-bot spin, left-right spin} 20-100 times and rerun the 100-1000 shot experiment at each configuration.

Not every ball touches the rail at exactly the same point. so there is a spread that represents the data pertinent to one shaft and the other. After all of the data as been distilled we get a set of numbers::

The numbers show that the previous generation shaft has a dispersion of 0.19" while the new revo shaft has a dispersion of 0.18".

So the new shaft is 5% more accurate, but that 5% is so far down in the noise that it simply does not matter.

My guess is that they did not run an experiment but something more like a marketing qualification.

 

[philly]

'My guess is that they did not run an experiment but something more like a marketing qualification."


I have been saying for a while now that Predator is no longer a pool company but simply a marketing cash manufacturing machine. Let's see, I can buy a Predator sneaky with no wrap for $579 or have Eddie Cohen make me one for $750. Hmmm, let me think about that one. Well the Predator will ship tomorrow though.

https://www.seyberts.com/predator-sneaky-pete-roadline-8-point-no-wrap-cue

 

[LAMas]

Light front and flexible - low effective mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTdflfh4GwU

 

[garczar]

'My guess is that they did not run an experiment but something more like a marketing qualification."


I have been saying for a while now that Predator is no longer a pool company but simply a marketing cash manufacturing machine. Let's see, I can buy a Predator sneaky with no wrap for $579 or have Eddie Cohen make me one for $750. Hmmm, let me think about that one. Well the Predator will ship tomorrow though.

https://www.seyberts.com/predator-sneaky-pete-roadline-8-point-no-wrap-cue

Their stuff is so overpriced its a joke. They've built sort of a Predator clique/cult that a lot of players buy into. Hats-off to their marketing/pr people 'cause whatever they're doing is working.

 

[johnnysd]

Their stuff is so overpriced its a joke. They've built sort of a Predator clique/cult that a lot of players buy into. Hats-off to their marketing/pr people 'cause whatever they're doing is working.

There is a guy here in San Diego that has a billiards supply store and he just has this contempt for anything that is not Predator even against some of the other brands he sells, Everything about Predator is perfect in his eyes. I brought a Judd in there for re-tipping and he kept subtly criticizing it and comparing it to a Predator. It was really annoying. I have no issue with people that like their stuff, a ton of people do. But I do oppose the concept that the stuff they make is somehow superior.

 

[overlord]

Efren Reyes beat everyone in the world with a 12 dollar cue from the Philippines. You can buy any cue you want but you can't play like a champion no matter how little or much you spend unless you are a champion.

 

[skip100]

Efren Reyes beat everyone in the world with a 12 dollar cue from the Philippines. You can buy any cue you want but you can't play like a champion no matter how little or much you spend unless you are a champion.

I'm no fan of expensive cues but this has to be one of the lamest lines that's trotted out here over and over again.

Tiger Woods in 2000 probably could have beaten people with his caddie's clubs. So what? That doesn't mean you and I are better off playing with cheap, outdated, mismatched, or crappy equipment.

 

[Johnny Rosato]

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[trob]

Efren Reyes beat everyone in the world with a 12 dollar cue from the Philippines. You can buy any cue you want but you can't play like a champion no matter how little or much you spend unless you are a champion.

Lol I love when people make stupid statements like this. Eferin has a natural god given talent that would allow him to play with anything . You and I do not lol So what he plays with means nothing to me.

 

[garczar]

There is a guy here in San Diego that has a billiards supply store and he just has this contempt for anything that is not Predator even against some of the other brands he sells, Everything about Predator is perfect in his eyes. I brought a Judd in there for re-tipping and he kept subtly criticizing it and comparing it to a Predator. It was really annoying. I have no issue with people that like their stuff, a ton of people do. But I do oppose the concept that the stuff they make is somehow superior.

I wouldn't give the asshole another dime. Dealers love Pred. because of the mark-up they get. I buy enough Chinese crap at WallyWorld, my cue $$ is staying in the U.S.

 

[johnnysd]

I'm no fan of expensive cues but this has to be one of the lamest lines that's trotted out here over and over again.

Tiger Woods in 2000 probably could have beaten people with his caddie's clubs. So what? That doesn't mean you and I are better off playing with cheap, outdated, mismatched, or crappy equipment.

Funny thing about Tiger Woods in 2000 that does not get mentioned very often was that Tiger actually had an equipment advantage that year in that he was among the first to use the truly modern solid golf ball. At that time most of the top pros were still using wound balata balls. Trevino was a notable exception playing the Top Flite ball and he got a lot of critcism for playing "rocks". Obviously everyone wholesale changed around that time as well.

 

[johnnysd]

I wouldn't give the asshole another dime. Dealers love Pred. because of the mark-up they get. I buy enough Chinese crap at WallyWorld, my cue $$ is staying in the U.S.

Yeah I really don't shop there. Not many places put on a good tip in San Diego though. I am sure if I showed him my Lambros he would comment about the inferior joint

 

[hang-the-9]

I spent a bit of time with a revo shaft at the BCA trade show, maybe 5 minutes of shooting. The low deflection is certainly a thing with the shaft. I was able to shoot with a lot of spin with pretty much 0 compensation for aim. The feel, eh, could be a lot better. But this second time around with the shaft gave me a bit better impression of it than I had from my first time shooting with one.

Biggest issue is the price and the fact that the thing is not as durable as Predator states it is from scratches. I am not spending even $200 on a shaft without testing it for a week of shooting, never mind $500. Sure I am curious about it, but I am not paying $500 for an experiment since a shaft is a very personal selection if it matches your cue and how you play and aim. $500 wold get me 2-3 good LD shafts from any number of custom cue makers.

 

[KRJ]

I wouldn't give the asshole another dime. Dealers love Pred. because of the mark-up they get. I buy enough Chinese crap at WallyWorld, my cue $$ is staying in the U.S.

Actually, the mark up for dealers on Predators is not good. But, I suppose you can make it up in volume if you are a big time dealer.