how old are these?

GoTulane

GoTulane

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AZB'er DMGWALSH has these hoppe cues, and is looking to see how old they are. Please direct any questions to him, or post on this thread. Check them out, and let him know what you think.

Thanks,

Michael
 
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You can refer to a fellow AZ'ers page for info on these cues. This is a great site!!!! Old Splice
This should give you the info you want and much more.
 
GoTulane said:
AZB'er DMGWALSH has these hoppe cues, and is looking to see how old they are. Please direct any questions to him, or post on this thread. Check them out, and let him know what you think.

Thanks,

Michael
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Thanks for downsizing the pics and posting for me.

Ed Young is restoring both of these for me now.

Anyone have any info on age, value.
 
The label on the one with the ivory ring is early 1940's. If it really is ebony and not just dark rosewood (the old stuff gets pretty dark with age), it's rare and worth a lot, maybe $1000 or even a few hundred more. If it's rosewood then about $600.

The other one is from the late 1960's to early 1970's I would say and worth $350 to $450. I am assuming on the values that these cues are in at least average condition.

Chris
 
I don't know Tate

If the ebony cue was a titlist 1 piece cue yes. But it is a hoppe and will have limitations for a builder and the Hoppe cue have a far lower value in exotic woods in comparison to the titlist cues! You have valued the cues as titlist blanks ready for conversion. These cues are not in that catigory. Although a collector may see higher value. The cues are practically useless for conversion.
Just my $.02.
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
If the ebony cue was a titlist 1 piece cue yes. But it is a hoppe and will have limitations for a builder and the Hoppe cue have a far lower value in exotic woods in comparison to the titlist cues! You have valued the cues as titlist blanks ready for conversion. These cues are not in that catigory. Although a collector may see higher value. The cues are practically useless for conversion.
Just my $.02.
Nick :)
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The prices I gave are what they've been going for on e-bay auctions for the last several years. Ebony Willie Hoppes are rare. If the Willie Hoppe is an ebony one for sure, I would pay $900 for it right now. I have several with the ivory rings which were made into the late 1950's - they command a premium.

If they were being valued on the basis of conversions, they would be worth less than as collectors cues. These cues can be conveted just like the one piece but it's a shame to see them ruined historically.

Chris
 
Hay Tate

You would definately be in the collector class of buyer that would see more value. And I am in your fan club, Would that make me a Tater? Yup!
Later
Nick :)
 
Hoppe cues

TATE said:
The label on the one with the ivory ring is early 1940's. If it really is ebony and not just dark rosewood (the old stuff gets pretty dark with age), it's rare and worth a lot, maybe $1000 or even a few hundred more. If it's rosewood then about $600.

The other one is from the late 1960's to early 1970's I would say and worth $350 to $450. I am assuming on the values that these cues are in at least average condition.

Chris
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Thanks for the info. I gave the cues to Ed Young, a Chicago cue maker about two weeks ago to look into restoring, not converting. I will call him and ask him his opinion on the wood.

Do you think the cues should be restored? Would they be more valuable restored?

I will probably be interested in selling them as I have too many other cues anyway and nowhere to keep them.
 
dmgwalsh said:
Thanks for the info. I gave the cues to Ed Young, a Chicago cue maker about two weeks ago to look into restoring, not converting. I will call him and ask him his opinion on the wood.

Do you think the cues should be restored? Would they be more valuable restored?

I will probably be interested in selling them as I have too many other cues anyway and nowhere to keep them.
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I'm guessing you missed the PM I sent you?
 
TATE said:
The prices I gave are what they've been going for on e-bay auctions for the last several years. Ebony Willie Hoppes are rare. If the Willie Hoppe is an ebony one for sure, I would pay $900 for it right now. I have several with the ivory rings which were made into the late 1950's - they command a premium.

If they were being valued on the basis of conversions, they would be worth less than as collectors cues. These cues can be conveted just like the one piece but it's a shame to see them ruined historically.

Chris
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Hi Chris - are you getting my emails? I sent a couple last week.

Thanks,
Scott
 
ABall said:
You can refer to a fellow AZ'ers page for info on these cues. This is a great site!!!! Old Splice
This should give you the info you want and much more.
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Thanks for the plug - I didn't notice this before.

BTW - there is no advertising on the site, no alterior motives - just sharing of information. So if you really are interested in identifying/dating your old Titlists or Model 26 1/2 cues, just go look. If you have any additional information to add, I am always looking for such information and if it's valid, I'll include it in future site updates.

I don't have values listed on the site and never will but I respond to email requests.
 
Just noticed - the ebony one has the first label, but the second forearm signature. We don't know when Brunswick went to the second signature, but there are so many of the "first signature" blanks around, that I believe that combination is late 1940's. The 1949 catalog shows the second label and those only came with the second signature.

Confusing, I know, but the good news is that it doesn't affect value, partly because most people have no clue that there even were two signatures, or that the different light blue labels are actually different from one another. :)
 
runscott said:
Hi Chris - are you getting my emails? I sent a couple last week.

Thanks,
Scott
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Hi Scott,

I was on vacation and fell behind. I'll get caught up to them in a few days. I just went through the mind numbing ordeal of changing out my computer and updating everything (on Vista) - what a major trick that was.

Chris
 
runscott said:
Just noticed - the ebony one has the first label, but the second forearm signature. We don't know when Brunswick went to the second signature, but there are so many of the "first signature" blanks around, that I believe that combination is late 1940's. The 1949 catalog shows the second label and those only came with the second signature.

Confusing, I know, but the good news is that it doesn't affect value, partly because most people have no clue that there even were two signatures, or that the different light blue labels are actually different from one another. :)
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Scott,

Very interesting. Where did you see the forearm signature on the ebony Willie Hoppe? I was looking at the pics in the first post and I couldn't make it out at all.

DMG - if you're going to sell the ebony Hoppe (if it is ebony), better to just leave it alone. You won't get the restoration money back and the buyer loses the option of keeping it original. If it's ebony and in good shape, my $900 offer stands.

Chris
 
nick serdula said:
The ebony titlist is too old! Sell it to me!
Nick :)
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lol a friend of mine had 4 old ebony titlists 1 pc cues in his basemant. i tried for YEARS to buy them. he said maybe ,maybe , maybe. then he had a flood and they all got ruined......crap. he was gonna sell too. only using them for break cues.

ebony is from 40's maybe early 50's but a willie? never saw one. but how many ebony titlist can we find? i saw 6.

rosewood prob around 70's
 
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