How straight is straight?

Zphix

Zphix

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After analyzing my stroke for the umpteenth time (I've noticed a slight inconsistency on my follow through) that's lead me to question how straight is straight.

The inconsistency I'm talking about is me turning my wrist inward on my follow through that causes me to cue slightly (and I mean very)slightly off my center line. Sometimes it will happen an inch or so before hitting the CB which is enough to cause me to miss from time to time.

So, do pros and high caliber players stroke on an absolutely straight plain?

Second, what's the best way to record yourself stroking to get a good analysis? I want to record a video of myself and post it here for feedback.



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Basically, you want to be straight enough to hit the cb with 1mm accuracy. Anything less than that, and you will experience problems popping up now and then.
 
You may want to check out QMD (www.Cue-MD.com). It will automatically record and show you where your stroke is deviating from straight, up to 100 or so frames per second. It also gives you instant audible feedback during your strokes to help you identify where you're getting off line as you practice.

Steve
 
chevybob20 said:
Bustamante's stroke is the most crooked on earth.
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That may well be true. But, you aren't Busty. He has the ability to hit the cb where he wants to, on the line he wants to. If you had that ability, you would shoot like he does. Only Busty is Busty.

You can't hold up one guy with less than textbook perfect fundamentals and use him as an excuse for you to have less than textbook fundamentals. It just doesn't work that way. Each of us has to find the path that works for us. We are each unique. Some can get away with much extra motion in their cue and still be very, very, accurate. Most of us can not. The main goal is to hit the cb within 1-2mm of where we want to, and at the speed and alignment that we want to. If one can do that, the game becomes greatly simplified.
 
Great stroke

Will move inside out.
The man with the crookedest stroke I ever saw beat everyone.
He played center ball.
He never hit the Cue ball on it's center. And advised never doing that.
He said the only thing that matters is where the stick is pointing when it hits the ball. Every thing else he said was all bull shit.
He was by the way a freak of nature.
Fighter pilot.
Tested by the military and told his eyes ability to work and judge depth perception equally while watching two objects one in each eye couldn't be done or explained.
But he did it. Over and over. They never saw anything like it. Or him.
He also had at times no stroke. He only moved his Cue forth. There was no back.
If you know where you are hitting the Cue ball the method is mute.
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
Will move inside out.
The man with the crookedest stroke I ever saw beat everyone.
He played center ball.
He never hit the Cue ball on it's center. And advised never doing that.
He said the only thing that matters is where the stick is pointing when it hits the ball. Every thing else he said was all bull shit.
He was by the way a freak of nature.
Fighter pilot.
Tested by the military and told his eyes ability to work and judge depth perception equally while watching two objects one in each eye couldn't be done or explained.
But he did it. Over and over. They never saw anything like it. Or him.
He also had at times no stroke. He only moved his Cue forth. There was no back.
If you know where you are hitting the Cue ball the method is mute.
Nick :)
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I played some great players with terrible, crooked strokes. They would six pack me at the drop of a hat. Your stroke is straight enough when you're getting out. If you're sitting, you need to work on it. :smile:

Best,
Mike
 
Zphix said:
After analyzing my stroke for the umpteenth time (I've noticed a slight inconsistency on my follow through) that's lead me to question how straight is straight.

The inconsistency I'm talking about is me turning my wrist inward on my follow through that causes me to cue slightly (and I mean very)slightly off my center line. Sometimes it will happen an inch or so before hitting the CB which is enough to cause me to miss from time to time.

So, do pros and high caliber players stroke on an absolutely straight plain?

Second, what's the best way to record yourself stroking to get a good analysis? I want to record a video of myself and post it here for feedback.



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Don't waste your time analyzing anything! Shoot the ball in a straight line the length of the table and get the cue ball to come back to your tip,,,,, at all different speeds! I don't care if your tip is 12 ft to the left/right, the cue ball never lies! Like someone else mentioned,,,, Francisco Bustamante,,,, case closed!;)
 
liakos said:
Don't waste your time analyzing anything! Shoot the ball in a straight line the length of the table and get the cue ball to come back to your tip,,,,, at all different speeds! I don't care if your tip is 12 ft to the left/right, the cue ball never lies! Like someone else mentioned,,,, Francisco Bustamante,,,, case closed!;)
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I haven't done this in a few months but last time I did I got the CB up and down the table to my tip at least 8/10 times.

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liakos said:
Don't waste your time analyzing anything! Shoot the ball in a straight line the length of the table and get the cue ball to come back to your tip,,,,, at all different speeds! I don't care if your tip is 12 ft to the left/right, the cue ball never lies! Like someone else mentioned,,,, Francisco Bustamante,,,, case closed!;)
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This is a great drill but it doesn't work well at slow speeds because any unwanted side spin can get scrubbed off before the CB gets to the far rail, so it might still come straight back to you.

Max Eberle: straight stroke drill at 1:45 mark
 
Zphix said:
I haven't done this in a few months but last time I did I got the CB up and down the table to my tip at least 8/10 times.

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Need to be minimum 90%! And as far as looking at the cue ball last?? Why?? I never do, I look at my target! If you're shooting up and down the rail, you should be looking at the target on the rail! Hope this helps bud!:)
 
I notice I move my wrist on my straight shots that I miss. I wish thinking of trying to practice with the pro shot wrist brace to break the habit, but haven't been able to find one in the U.S., or a good condition used one.
 
Zphix said:
I haven't done this in a few months but last time I did I got the CB up and down the table to my tip at least 8/10 times.

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I'll give ya one more:) set up is key!!!! Need to be straight!!!! Can't emphasize this enough!!!!

Put the cue ball on the head spot, put object ball on the foot spot! Now, put a dollar bill on the center diamond on the table (your cue will be over the dollar! Now,,,,, shoot a stop shot at the object ball, the object ball banks back into the cue ball and the cue ball rolls on the dollar!

When your doing that fairly consistently, say 1 out of 5 and the rest of the time your hitting between the end diamonds,,,,, don't worry about your stroke, it's fine:)

Good luck!!
 
Zphix said:
After analyzing my stroke for the umpteenth time (I've noticed a slight inconsistency on my follow through) that's lead me to question how straight is straight.

The inconsistency I'm talking about is me turning my wrist inward on my follow through that causes me to cue slightly (and I mean very)slightly off my center line. Sometimes it will happen an inch or so before hitting the CB which is enough to cause me to miss from time to time.

So, do pros and high caliber players stroke on an absolutely straight plain?

Second, what's the best way to record yourself stroking to get a good analysis? I want to record a video of myself and post it here for feedback.



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Record from the front back and side. lots of cameras do 120/240 fps
 
I honestly have no idea how straight "straight" actually is. I know a guy, multiple hundred ball runner, who has the crookedest stroke I've ever seen. He waves his cue around sideways and up and down wildly at first then gradually less and less only to come through relatively straight on the final stroke (still not perfectly straight though). I've had plenty of opportunity to study his stroke from the chair.....Running 80 and out, 100 and out on me etc...I don't get how he does it, frankly. If I'm off, even by a hair, slightly turning the wrist etc, bad things happen, that's the one thing I do know. Another guy I know can't hit center cueball to save his life, yet he can play straight pool and rotation pool extremely well, with decent (obviously not perfect) cue ball control and extremely good potting. It's weird and I have no explanation for it at all. I don't know any good snooker players like that though. They may exist for all I know, I just haven't seen any.

I find that the most revealing camera angle is from the front, but the side angle can also tell you much.
 
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