How strong is Karen Corr?
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whitewolf said:Are you sure you want to fool around with a person who predicted that Ali would win his first fight? And other amazing predictions. I make a living off of suckers like you.
So we have a $25 bet then? Payment via paypal at the end of the first IPT season. I will take Karen to end the season higher then Allison. Time to stop talking and put your money where your yap is WW, I am done talking, say yes to the bet and lets watch how it plays out. The money is already just sitting in a PP account gathering dust on my end, it needs another $25 for company, yours will do nicely.
whitewolf said:
Well we are both long term members of this forum and I figured that would be enough to assure that the board can police its own members on such a public bet. It is little different them buying and selling in the "for sale" section of the board, trust is key and you deal with people that are not just new to the board and if they dont pay or send items their rep is ruined.
Jjinfla. $25 if ya want the action, not $100. I am betting only what is already rotting in my PP account, dont want to add more if I lose and this bet is definately no lock, closer to 50/50 really and it will just be alot more fun to watch the tour with this little bit of action. Horse races are no fun to watch unless you have a horse!
Actually, I heard through the grapevine that Allison couldn't play because of her APA obligations in Vegas. Anybody know for sure whether the dates conflicted? The slow cloth certainly isn't stopping her from playing in the other events!LastTwo said:
I can confirm that Allison had APA obligations.
I went to go see the LJJ/Sigel match, and since the APA was in town I stopped by to check out the cue selections. In addition to picking up a new Espiritu (Yay!) I had a chance to chat up Allison for a bit. So yes, she had prior obligations to attend to. Whether or not the exhibition match with Sigel was already scheduled for that same date is what we don't know.
S.
I went to go see the LJJ/Sigel match, and since the APA was in town I stopped by to check out the cue selections. In addition to picking up a new Espiritu (Yay!) I had a chance to chat up Allison for a bit. So yes, she had prior obligations to attend to. Whether or not the exhibition match with Sigel was already scheduled for that same date is what we don't know.
S.
Kerry Impson said:
jjinfla said:
I agree, this is going to make watching this years IPT action all the more exciting. Even if I lose the added excitement will make it a wash. Lets hope they are tied going into the last tourney.
/shakes Jjinfla's hand to make the bet official.
LastTwo said:
I have a problem believing that anyone, even Allison Fisher, would turn down a guaranteed $75,000 to play Mike Sigel.....and for the reason regarding playing conditions? Sounds ludicrous to me....as if there's so much money in pool, that anyone would turn down a guaranteed $75K.... I don't think we know the real story...
Hi Folks,
To get back to the original thread subject, the main difference between Karen, Allison and the top men is gambling, period. Other than Jeanette, I've never seen a top Women Pro play for money. Winning a tournament against the guys is one thing. Winning for the "cheese" is altogether different. I have great respect for Karen. She won both matches we've played. They were close but her name went right, mine left.
One of the posters mentioned the choice of cloth has no effect on the challenge matches. I beg to differ. Mike chose the cloth because he knew the top Women Pro's couldn't drive the cue ball around the table, shot after shot. Especially with those tight pockets. The faster the table and looser the pockets, the easier it would be for him to lose.
Lyn
To get back to the original thread subject, the main difference between Karen, Allison and the top men is gambling, period. Other than Jeanette, I've never seen a top Women Pro play for money. Winning a tournament against the guys is one thing. Winning for the "cheese" is altogether different. I have great respect for Karen. She won both matches we've played. They were close but her name went right, mine left.
One of the posters mentioned the choice of cloth has no effect on the challenge matches. I beg to differ. Mike chose the cloth because he knew the top Women Pro's couldn't drive the cue ball around the table, shot after shot. Especially with those tight pockets. The faster the table and looser the pockets, the easier it would be for him to lose.
Lyn
Geesh ...
I have played slow tables and fast tables. Takes me less than
10 minutes to adjust to table conditions. (anyone played on a bar
table in a bar before?). You simply gear it up some or gear it down
some. Adjusting speed is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. What IS difficult
is if the rails are not normal, like a fast table but dead rails, or a slow
table but the rails are twice as bouncy, or a fast table and the rails
are twice as bouncy, because then you have 2 things to consider
when shooting shots and they might conflict with each other. BUT,
considering the table will be good equipment, tight pockets would
be more of a consideration, than the speed of the cloth. Allison
and Karen will do fine, the other women I am not so sure. Although
a shot with inside english and then having to take the cue ball 3
rails for shape comes up less often in 8 ball than 9 ball, the women
players better practice it on slow nap cloth. I have seen Allison and
Karen do it in 9 ball, but no other women pros. Ball patterns will be
important, plus break out shots, and banks.
cardiac kid said:
I have played slow tables and fast tables. Takes me less than
10 minutes to adjust to table conditions. (anyone played on a bar
table in a bar before?). You simply gear it up some or gear it down
some. Adjusting speed is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. What IS difficult
is if the rails are not normal, like a fast table but dead rails, or a slow
table but the rails are twice as bouncy, or a fast table and the rails
are twice as bouncy, because then you have 2 things to consider
when shooting shots and they might conflict with each other. BUT,
considering the table will be good equipment, tight pockets would
be more of a consideration, than the speed of the cloth. Allison
and Karen will do fine, the other women I am not so sure. Although
a shot with inside english and then having to take the cue ball 3
rails for shape comes up less often in 8 ball than 9 ball, the women
players better practice it on slow nap cloth. I have seen Allison and
Karen do it in 9 ball, but no other women pros. Ball patterns will be
important, plus break out shots, and banks.
cuechick said:
Kevin Trudeau said that was the reason why. I thought about it after he said that, and knowing that Allison will be playing in the IPT, why would he make a flat out lie about her? Allison had plenty of time to offset any prior engagement to make $75,000, or possibly double that. I wonder how much she made from her prior engagement? A couple thousand?
whitewolf said:
WARNING! ANGRY OOMPA LOOMPA ON THE LOOSE! GUARD YOUR CHOCOLATE!
Alex does idolize Bruce Lee. Phoebe Choi is hot. Allison turned down $75,000 because she was afraid of getting humiliated on equipment she would struggle with (IN MY OPINION, WHICH I AM ENTITLED TO). And I did order the Third Eye, you can ask Joe Tucker yourself. I made a thread about how much I like it.
You are by far the stupidest person on this forum. Nobody likes you. You suck at pool and you talk like you are big. I heard the last guy you gambled with in pool had to spot you a telephone book to stand on. It's funny how you are talking like you want to make a bet with Celtic and then you back down like the pussy you are. LOL
LastTwo said:
It also says a lot about Allison's character. Yes, it would have been easy for her to reschedule herself, but the APA's event could not be and she was committed and she stood by her promise. I heard she was just sick about it, not being able to do the IPT exhibition. A lot of other players would have just bailed, even if they had already accepted the APA's payment. So I don't think she should be regarded as a wimp, but an ethical player who stands by her commitment and is trying to promote the sport.
She is DEFINITELY not afraid of the slow cloth and being a snooker player, the tighter pockets favor both her and Karen over some of the males.
rackmsuckr said:
Agreed...I wish there were more people like this.
wahcheck said:
It would be interesting to be able to look over Allison's financial statement.
We all know that she does well in the WPBA tournaments and is a favorite to take home the $10,000 each time she plays.
And then there are her classes with Gerda plus other assorted private lessons.
And her affilliation with APA and Cuetec. I am pretty sure that lending her name does not come cheap. And of course she most likely has signed contracts with all of them.
it used to be that events could be scheduled with just a few weeks/month notice. That was the dark ages. Now there are so many events planned that you better make arrangements at least a year in advance. And some are booked for several years.
So it is not surprising to me that Allison would be in the position where her prior commitments prevented her from accepting the offer from the IPT. Providing, of course, that they even made the offer to her.
Allison has worked hard to be in the position she is now and I am sure there are many women in the WPBA that would love to be in her position. And with the year coming to an end she may be working on bigger and better deals with her sponsors.
rackmsuckr said:
I am in 100% agreement here in information lala land, I don't for a moment think Allison PRO (with added CAPITALS) would have ducked such a match if possible with $ 75,000 at stake between guaranteed first or second place(uhm twice, the first might have been a schedule conflict she honored (more credit to her) or an aggressive overnegotiating of percieved value the other side didn't accept... in other words, her agents may have said Jump cue, 860 Simonis, these dates only... the other side may have said get lost! Its over!
possible.)
All speculation from a nobody not in the know, take it no further. Please. For the money, I suggest Allison honored her commitments/contracts first, she is a PRO. Absent facts, given pure speculation, I stick with this.
I just have to say, 3 years later somebody here do an honest analysis of Men Vs. Women speed perceptions before and after the IPT, and we shall all see for sure where gender bias counts in pool. North/South/East/West/Int'l Notwithstanding the fact (I predict) that only 3 out of the top 20 will be female. It takes guts, and few really have it, honed over years. Prove me wrong in 2009, I can take the real facts!
Folks more in the know say she may have had contractual obligations she may now be regretting $$wise, but, Allison integrity-wise WPBA solid is gold. If the IPT can add to players earnings and not harm other tours, all to the good. I can't complain.
Next year, Allison, for the gold, in the top 10 (previously I said top 20... now I am getting excited...) Go girl go, and to hell with "girl", just go horsey go, you are a true champion.....
rackmsuckr said:
This post makes the most sense to me regarding why Allison would not play Mike Sigel. She comes from England and snooker where I have heard that you are expected to behave like a lady or a gentleman. The rules of etiquette are strictly enforced in that game from what I've heard. When you've played in that kind of environment for as long as Allison did, I'm sure that those rules have become a part of her character and will be with her always. It would be nice if we had similar rules of etiquette in pool.