How strong is Karen Corr?

Allison top 20 or better

Personally, I would put Allison in the top 20 or better on the IPT, assuming she has any knowledge of 8ball. Physically I find nothing in pool that suggests a male is better suited than a female, finesse shots being more common and necessary than power shots, solid fundamentals remove breasts from the equation, and on the mental side, any female that survives the 97% male poolroom gender bias has got what it takes to compete, and possibly possesses more testosterone than me, if that or Brillcreme supposedly makes the difference.

Possibly her break shot is weak compared to many of the men players, but so is Efren's and where has that got him? Dominant but not running 9-packs on everyone. Frankly making one ball on the break with position has proved superior to those smashing the balls downing 5 but ending up hooked or picking the cueball up off the floor more often than not.

She did a tour with Grady doing exhibitions, his comment was, "don't think this girl can't play." Looking through the Accu-stats catalog, I see where they have her down shooting .970, better than most winning mens matches. She has declined playing against men in tournaments before, because she saw little value in winning, most men complaining they didn't shoot their best game, etc... and the money wasn't there while being the best in the WPBA did.

Things have changed a bit with the IPT, with even Ronnie O'Sullivan willing to try it out, given sponsorship changes in men's snooker in the UK. I look for Allison to step up and take down some serious cash. She is a professional in every sense of the word, has dominated in snooker and 9ball, and can smell blood in the water better than most sharks.

Some may say since she hasn't played too many men before so she may be at a disadvantage (compared to Karen Corr who has). Turn that around and you can see that most men have never played any female that good, and then who gets the jitters, the "Duchess of Doom" or proud boys nervous about losing (trounced) by a girl (oh the ignomy and ribbing they will take back home)? I suspect gender arguments weigh more in Allisons favor here with nothing to lose really. She will very likely be taking down a few -formerly-male sexist pigs and converting them to believers in billiards equality, and the need for more practice in perfection on the table.

My thoughts anyway, and may the best poolplayers win on the table.
 
I don't care ...

I just want to see some great matches and smart
shot making ... whether it is male, female, a snooker
player, or Fast Larry's dog doing it ... lol
 
I think knowledge of the game is key. 8 Ball is much more of a strategic game IMO. I remember watching Karen play a match in NJ at Castle. NEWT had one 8Ball tourney. I forget who she was playing but she had ball in hand and one of her balls was tied up. There was a very obvious safety (if your an experienced 8 ball player). that I am sure would have won her the game; but she just could not see it. Instead she tried to run out to run out...and lost.

I am sure all these players will be brushing up their 8 ball skills and if they are smart working with a really good 8 ball coach.

It's a tricky game and that will be the biggest challenge for all those players coming in with little experience playing it.
 
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I wouldn't put too much on the defeat of Basavich. I don't think he has been playing too good lately. He was knocked out of the US Open by a player from around here who I don't think should've had a chance against him.
 
Dana Bufalo said:
Check out the results of this past weekend's Joss event held at Adirondack Billiards.

Karen Corr plays thru the winners side and beats "Kid Delicious" for the hot seat, then she runs out on Zuglan in the finals for the win!

That's pretty strong!


That doesn't prove anything - she's a girl - she won't make the cut on the IPT Tour where all the REAL players are. Danny Basavich and Mike Zuglan are no-pool playing has-beens who couldn't find a stroke in an emergency room and their BREAKS suck too as we all know that the break makes ALL the difference.

Laughing MY ASS OFF - GO KAREN!!!!

John
 
Karen got on the hill with Earl last year.

Karen played Strickland last year in a race to 7 in a tournament in Mississippi. She was up 6-1 and then Strickland won six straight to take the match. However, I would call that playing him even.

There are alot of doubter on AZ about the quality of the top women. Some guys say that Allison could not beat Efren if he gave her the 7 and the break. I am not saying that Allison is Efren's equal but she is closer than alot of critics think.
 
There are arguments both ways when it comes to which of Corr or Fisher is likely to fare better on the IPT, and I'm inclined to agree with those that suggest that how they match up against each other is not at the heart of the matter. Let's weigh the evidence:

Arguments in Favor of Fisher:
a) Breaks the balls harder than Corr
b) Pockets balls just slightly better than Corr
c) Has ahistory of playing her best when the purses are biggest

Arguments in Favor of Corr:
a) Better defensive player than Fisher
b) Better overall strategist than Fisher
c) More experience playing men than Fisher

Relative Adaptability:
Neither of them is particularly experienced in eight ball, but Fisher's dominance in the 2000 US Open 14.1 event suggests a strong ability to adapt to a game requiring self-designed patterns.

Overall, I give a slight nod to Fisher as the more likely to succeed on the IPT, but I won't be surprised if I'm wrong about this, and I'm quite sure I'll be cheering hard for both to succeed.
 
I've never understood the men vs women debate when it comes to pool. Pool isn't about power so what difference does it make in ability? Can someone please answer that for me?

I'd say pool is more about the ability to read tables, understanding your own ability and shot making skills, having enough guts to take a risk if its needed, and bit of math.
 
I saw Corey Duel stroke hard once on TV. He didn't look like he was putting that much effort into it but the cb went nuts! I've also seen Allison power draw the cb back when the cb was pretty close to the foot rail and the ob was near the pocket at the head rail. She drew the CB back like she was shooting a normal draw. it was an awesome stroke! Her fundamentals are just phenominal! I think the difference that most women besides Allison and Karen just don't have the stroke that the men have but Allison and Karen are pretty close imho. Will they hang with the top men? I don't know but it sure will be fun to watch and find out!
 
whitewolf said:
I will have to study what this vcash is all about :D and then I would be glad to bet.

I dont want to bet Vcash, I want to bet real cash.
 
> I like both of their games,in my mind Allison is 2-3% better,enough that it is clear,but not enough to warrant a spot if they were playing a long session,like a race to 50 or a 15 ahead. I have said this several times,if Allison or Karen had someone else's break,or had someone else breaking for them,say Shannon Daulton or Frankie Hernandez,they MIGHT be the best offensive player in the world. I say MIGHT because if you look at how often either of them misses a wide open ball,which is not very common,they would surely run a bunch of racks in between unforced errors in pocketing,especially with 2 or more balls gone and a respectable opening shot. Tommy D.
 
1-pocket-player said:
[QUOTE That's pretty strong!
I was at the gym and I saw her bench 650 lbs. Now that's strong! :)[/QUOTE]

i wouldnt doubt that she could bench that much lol
 
On huge pockets with fast cloth anyone can play good. The playing conditions in the IPT will weed out the truly strong players from the weak. Did you all forget that Allison wouldn't agree to play Sigel when she was guaranteed at least $75000? That's because she didn't want to play on the slow cloth. Turning down $75000 because of playing conditions says alot about her ability, IMO. I think Karen is the better player.
 
LastTwo said:
That's because she didn't want to play on the slow cloth.

How do you know that? Why then would she have sign on for the IPT now? I am sure she had her reasons, I just don't think you or anyone else can say what they are in this forum.
 
Rickw said:
Jam,

Karen and Allison are so close to one another as far as their achievements in pool that if one does well, the other is likely to as well don't you think? I really think both of them will be in the top 50.

I disagree with this to some extent. Though acknowledging that Karen is as good (or at least nearly as good) as Alison, I think Karen has to demonstrate more longevity to say here achievements are equivalent to Alison's. I feel strongly that she will demonstrate this, but she just hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate it yet.
 
Celtic said:
OK, I am willing to bet $25 with WW via paypal on Karen being higher ranked then Allison on the IPT at the close of this year if he wants. If he chooses not to bet I will default to the next person who wants to make the bet.

Make it a $100 and you are on Celtic. I get Allison.

I personally believe that Allison is playing the best pool of her life this year. Karen on the other hand is not.

They both sure do know a lot about the game but in my opinion Allison not only knows the game, but can execute the shots, and is very consistent. Karen still misses too many shots, and still, at times plays the wrong shot. (This pointed out by people much more knowledgeable about the game than I am).

As far as a woman playing a man it is purely psychological. When she is at the table it doesn't matter who she is playing. Only problem is that when playing the top men it will always be in her mind that if she misses he will run out and it puts a little more stress on her. But, of course, that is true for everyone.

But then she really did well at the Joss so perhaps I am all wet.
 
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JAM said:
Last night, I spoke to a pool room owner from California, and the IPT is the talk of the town. One lady player who will be competing in the IPT King of the Hill Shootout is practicing daily and is currently taking 8-ball lessons to sharpen up existing skills and hone in on any peculiarities associated with the game of 8-ball.

I think many of us will be surprised at the outcome of the King of the Hill Shootout. Karen has always been a very strong competitor. Her intense focus is her strongest asset IMO, but she can deliver.

Knowing Mike Zuglan, he, of course, wanted to come in first place as opposed to runner-up, but if he had to lose to ANYBODY in the world, he most likely didn't mind too much losing to Karen Corr. She is a Joss Tour regular, a crowd favorite, and most definitely an asset to the sport/game.

Last year on the tournament trail, New York's Power Breaker Frankie Hernandez asked Karen Corr why she liked playing on the Joss Tour "with the guys." Her response with right on cue (pun intended). She said she likes the competition the Joss Tour offers to her, and it keeps her sharp and in tune with her game.

At the Golden Cue in Albany, NY, the Joss Tour host pool room let the community know who's coming to town by this sign on his front window! Everybody loves to see Karen Corr when she's in the house!

JAM

Jam, That is a great sign the room owner put up.

I often wonder why room owners do not advertise when they have the top pros at their pool halls. Around here I have never seen a sign where they advertise that a top pro will be there playing in the tournament. Why keep it a secret? Even if the room owner made up flyers and passed it around to the leagues that play in the area. In fact I am sure that the LO of the APA would put the flyers in their envelopes. That is the least they can do for the owners letting them play there. hey Kay, you might even do that with the Kingsbay. And feature your top players, Aquino, Otto, Jake (oops, wishful thinking).
 
cuechick said:
How do you know that? Why then would she have sign on for the IPT now? I am sure she had her reasons, I just don't think you or anyone else can say what they are in this forum.

That is what KT hinted to in his BD chat.

BDchat said:
s_waldon <Q>As well: Is it true Allison Fisher turned down the opportunity to do the exhibition with Sigel? If so, why?
ktrudeau <A>she would only play on 860...breaking from the side rail....alternate breaks....and jumpcue..and SHORT races to 5...
 
LastTwo said:
On huge pockets with fast cloth anyone can play good. The playing conditions in the IPT will weed out the truly strong players from the weak. Did you all forget that Allison wouldn't agree to play Sigel when she was guaranteed at least $75000? That's because she didn't want to play on the slow cloth. Turning down $75000 because of playing conditions says alot about her ability, IMO. I think Karen is the better player.

That was pure Mike S BS. Allison had to get permission from the WPBA-LJJ was retired and didnt have to ask anyone so they grabbed her. (IMHO)

Gonna turn down 75k because of slow nap cloth? LOL!
 
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