How to get position on the 9

[PROG8R]

I dont know about that one, but I will stand by my shot. If you are having problems with it, try not nukeing it. The english will really take off (you will need to exceed the one tip of left though, closer to two full tips of inside)with a soft to medium hit, (just slightly harder than a lag shot). You only have to cut the 8 (1.5 or 2 feet) total.

 

[Black-Balled]

That's insane. You'd never do that BB.

I didn't say I'd shoot that meeself- was just putting the WEI up for purposes of illustration.

for my $, Id prob cut it in w/ outside and go 2 rails back up, or bank@ 108mph w/ low L and close 1 eye.

 

[Tennesseejoe]

The original post asked how to get position on the nine ball. In response to that I would bank the 8 ball and draw back for the 9 as in my earlier post.

But if it was my shot , I would cinch the eight by cutting it in the corner and bank the 9 back in the corner.

 

[stroke]

I just tried this shot on my 9' Gold Crown. Ya gotta hit the CB high left and do a rail first shot on the 8 which brings the CB down for an easy shot on the 9. The key is the rail first shot on the 8 which allows the cue to hit the head rail near the center. If you go long on the head rail, the cue won't get far enough down the table for a clean shot on the 9. Also since the 9 is on the rail, even if you don't have terrific position, you can still make it with the same rail first, lots of english, shot. If you practice these shots, they come surprisingly easy and drop the jaws of your opponents.

 

[stroke]

I just tried that shot again but this time using just draw and banking the 8 into the corner. The cue comes almost all the way down to the end of the table. I just did this shot three times in a row. It's much easier than the three rails route.

Tennesseejoe: I didn't see your post before replying but if you hit the 8 with enough gusto it slaps in the corner with conviction. It's really pretty easy.

 

[PoolFool]

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This shot actually came up once in a game I was playing during a practice session. What I did was play a 3 rail bank shot with a little right draw to pocket the 8 ball in the upper right hand corner and position the CB at A. I made the shot and got really good position on the 9. It's a one pocket shot and definitely worth practicing. If you miss this shot you may even safe your opponent behind the 9 ball.

 

[TATE]

This one's easy.

• First, you bemoan your luck.
• Then, you point to the spot where you should have left the cueball.
• Then you return to the previous shot, and site down the angle you attempted.
• Stare at the 8-ball.
• Shake your head once to the right and left.
• Look to the crowd or any yes man.
• Do the "palm up" why-does-this-$hit-happen-to-me submission gesture.
• Shake your head a few times, not just once.

Hope that helped.

Fred

Hilarious. You must have seen me play that shot before.

 

[sjm]

This is all about who you are playing. Against an "A" player or better, I'll play for the runout, playing the eight with a little outside english, accepting the nine ball as shown in my top diagram. Against a "B" player or lower, I'll take my chances in a safety battle. The safety in the below diagram, a simple duck of the eight to the short rail is not very agressive, but it is incredibly easy to execute.

 

[Jaden]

Alright everyone seems to be questioning my response...

Ok here is how and why.....

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The reason I would do this is that there is a really good chance of either hanging the eight for the average player oging for the cut, or scratching, if you use inside english to 3 or 4 rails, or hanging the nine if you anage to make the eight or only leaving yourself a bank on the nine.

By doing it this way you still have the nine there to make even a hanger difficult to both make and get shape on the nine for your opponent. Even if the eight ball comes back out along the yellow line if you have to hit a little bit hard it's still a VERY difficult shot for your opponent and there's a good chance he'll scratch going for the shape on the nine.

Second, the trick to this shot is to not think too much about where the eight's going because if you get the CB where you are wanting, it doesn't much matter where the eight is...

If you don't have the speed control and CB control to put the CB on or slightly behind the nine, then by all means go for the two tough shots, or the one tough shot on the eight with inside off the rail for perfect shape on the nine, but for me, this would be the percentage shot with the highest liklihood of winning the game and that's against anyone.

 

[BRKNRUN]

This is all about who you are playing. Against an "A" player or better, I'll play for the runout, playing the eight with a little outside english, accepting the nine ball as shown in my top diagram. Against a "B" player or lower, I'll take my chances in a safety battle. The safety in the below diagram, a simple duck of the eight to the short rail is not very agressive, but it is incredibly easy to execute.

I agree fully on the it depends on the level of player your playing...I personally would play the "B" or lower player a little different than you describe...(Perhaps even a weak "A" if I knew his mentality)

Against the weak "A" or lower, I would "attempt" the bank on the 8. I know I can control the CB to the end rail by the 9 and if I get lucky I also make the bank, If I miss the bank it will "usually" either double bank or end up on the end rail leaving my opponent a "long" bank.

The position you described pretty much guarantees me (against almost any level player) that when I return to the table I am going to be somewhere around (if not locked up against) the 9-ball with the CB and the 8 will be thinned about one or two rotations to the left.

Yes...the way I play it I may "sell out" in a game that I was already in a position to lose anyway...but the bonus side to this is that I have a real good opportunity to "look lucky"...which tends to tick off most opponents that are A- or lower.....

It also depends greatly on the score of the match...

I have a freind that is an absolute master at getting "the roll" in just these types of situations.....

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Ok here is how and why.....

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The reason I would do this is that there is a really good chance of either hanging the eight for the average player oging for the cut, or scratching, if you use inside english to 3 or 4 rails, or hanging the nine if you anage to make the eight or only leaving yourself a bank on the nine.

By doing it this way you still have the nine there to make even a hanger difficult to both make and get shape on the nine for your opponent. Even if the eight ball comes back out along the yellow line if you have to hit a little bit hard it's still a VERY difficult shot for your opponent and there's a good chance he'll scratch going for the shape on the nine.

Second, the trick to this shot is to not think too much about where the eight's going because if you get the CB where you are wanting, it doesn't much matter where the eight is...

If you don't have the speed control and CB control to put the CB on or slightly behind the nine, then by all means go for the two tough shots, or the one tough shot on the eight with inside off the rail for perfect shape on the nine, but for me, this would be the percentage shot with the highest liklihood of winning the game and that's against anyone.

The original question was how to get position on the nine ball---not how to play this shot.

 

[GADawg]

If your speed control is good, play a four rail safety bank to leave the eight up table on the rail near the nine and the cue near the foot rail on the table.

If concerned about that, play the easier safety and bank the eight in the middle of the foot rail and the cue up table near the nine as suggested above.

I think you would rarely see a pro or advanced player try to make this shot and get position on the nine. If you miss, you lose.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

This one's easy.

• First, you bemoan your luck.
• Then, you point to the spot where you should have left the cueball.
• Then you return to the previous shot, and site down the angle you attempted.
• Stare at the 8-ball.
• Shake your head once to the right and left.
• Look to the crowd or any yes man.
• Do the "palm up" why-does-this-$hit-happen-to-me submission gesture.
• Shake your head a few times, not just once.

Then quickly get down and slow bank the 8-ball running the cueball up table to the 9-ball or thin the 8-ball and take that tough cut on the 9-ball. Shake your head if you miss. Point decisevely to the pocket if you get to and make that 9-ball. Fist pump is necessary.

Hope that helped.

Fred

LOL this has to go down as one of the best posts in this forum's history LOL

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Ok here is how and why.....

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The reason I would do this is that there is a really good chance of either hanging the eight for the average player oging for the cut, or scratching, if you use inside english to 3 or 4 rails, or hanging the nine if you anage to make the eight or only leaving yourself a bank on the nine.

By doing it this way you still have the nine there to make even a hanger difficult to both make and get shape on the nine for your opponent. Even if the eight ball comes back out along the yellow line if you have to hit a little bit hard it's still a VERY difficult shot for your opponent and there's a good chance he'll scratch going for the shape on the nine.

Second, the trick to this shot is to not think too much about where the eight's going because if you get the CB where you are wanting, it doesn't much matter where the eight is...

If you don't have the speed control and CB control to put the CB on or slightly behind the nine, then by all means go for the two tough shots, or the one tough shot on the eight with inside off the rail for perfect shape on the nine, but for me, this would be the percentage shot with the highest liklihood of winning the game and that's against anyone.

The shot in your diagram is almost impossible or an incredibly low percentage shot, even on an extremely fast table. If the cueball is directly across from the 8, or only slightly above or below it, then a shot similar to yours is possible. You can leave the cueball in roughly the middle of the table, and the 8 on the rail in the middle. You cannot get the cueball up table close to the 9 without setting the 8ball loose.

 

[Jaden]

The shot in your diagram is almost impossible or an incredibly low percentage shot, even on an extremely fast table. If the cueball is directly across from the 8, or only slightly above or below it, then a shot similar to yours is possible. You can leave the cueball in roughly the middle of the table, and the 8 on the rail in the middle. You cannot get the cueball up table close to the 9 without setting the 8ball loose.

If you'd like to make a wager on how many times out of ten I can do this shot, I'll take you up on it.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

If you'd like to make a wager on how many times out of ten I can do this shot, I'll take you up on it.

Exactly or close to exactly as in the diagram? I'm talking about the 8 ball going 2 rails and the cueball going 2-3 rails and right up next to the 9. If that is the case, yes I will make that wager, and I live in California.

 

[Jaden]

Exactly or close to exactly as in the diagram? I'm talking about the 8 ball going 2 rails and the cueball going 2-3 rails and right up next to the 9. If that is the case, yes I will make that wager, and I live in California.

No no no, I never said that it was likely to necesarily do that. I said that even if it doesn't that as long as you get the CB on or behind the nine, your opponent isn't likely to get out. But I'm still pretty sure I can do it five out of ten shots.


Ok I went and tried it and I was only able to do it 4 out of ten. I didn't try any of the other ways people had suggested for comparison because I had limited practice time. I also had to play the angle shorter but the eight still ended up about where my yellow line showed it going most of the time. Also I only sold it out 2 times out of ten.