How to install bed cloth

OTLB said:
Well to satisfy the inside area of a pocket lip versus the top of the table is not a concern of mine and has never been. If you want it to look nicer you can do things to it but why cause damage to the table by adding extra staples etc To me less is more. Now this is the reason I want to see some data. Glue holds better on a uniform basis but I solved that( I think) also with MY tac system. Ok it doesn't apply to all tables, so what.


Now lets to talk about the strain on the cloth that is developed when you stretch it so much to make pockets look so nice. My bet is that it does stretch excessively as you need to water it etc and therefore causes early fatigue along the rail in particular near the side pockets. Anyone has a table like this with some play on it? roll a ball slowly down the rail and watch it dive into the side. Since the cloth is thinner in that area it will wear faster from play. So my argument if you will is that the tightest cloth is put on billiard tables right? These carom tables demand it, its OK for those tables but not pool? Why? Because about how it looks on the inside of a pocket? This is why I don't care about stretching it like that. So I think my logic and evidence which I hope to gather will prove this out. Wrong maybe but let's see, that’s all I am asking.

Why can't there be a small study of this. Am going to do my table again. Also going to get a marker that will erase so I can mark it before I take off my cloth on there now. So, what I am trying to do is verify, that’s it. What ever is the best way . Perhaps if I can find the right marker it would be best to mark out the cloth on top first as SOP ( OTLB Factor #413)> And finally, who can put on cloth the tightest. Mine doesn't come loose, yours doesn't and probably not alot of guys. So, there is a min stretch (OTLB factor). Who puts it on the tightest may just be causing more of a problem than anything else, especially when you look at the side its drawn to over time. I think I have made enough points for now don't you think.

With my system I don't even have to use my hands, to pull the cloth. Yeah, I don't like my knuckles hurting either Scruffy. This will be the topic of another thread I hope, but not yet.

Oh yeah, this level is sick, its around $300, maybe you can get one on ebay for cheap..
Better then a Starrett for obvious reasons. I have a pic of it on another Brand of table but I don’t think I will post it. The other level also has a laser, hmmmmmmmmmm.

Even my phone has a level

Just got another nice level on Ebay last night at 18” .0003.
Why, I don’t know yet.

The next two weeks I am going to Phil.

The plate that the levels are resting on are custom and are machine ground both sides to >.001
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John, what's your reasoning for saying the cloth is thinner in the side pockets? Does that mean the balls are rolling downhill into the side pockets...because the cloth is thinner???? For your information, the cloth stretch in the side pockets is not nearly pulled as hard as the cloth is side to side, and because of that fact, if you look at the grain of cloth as it passes by the side pocket, it actually goes around the side pocket as in away from the lip of the pocket. Back up your statement that the cloth is thinner in the side pockets. On that statement alone you're saying the cloth is also thinner in the corner pockets...right? If that be the case, wouldn't balls just roll into the pockets instead of stopping...because they're rolling downhill acording to you:D
 
realkingcobra said:
John, what's your reasoning for saying the cloth is thinner in the side pockets? Does that mean the balls are rolling downhill into the side pockets...because the cloth is thinner???? For your information, the cloth stretch in the side pockets is not nearly pulled as hard as the cloth is side to side, and because of that fact, if you look at the grain of cloth as it passes by the side pocket, it actually goes around the side pocket as in away from the lip of the pocket. Back up your statement that the cloth is thinner in the side pockets. On that statement alone you're saying the cloth is also thinner in the corner pockets...right? If that be the case, wouldn't balls just roll into the pockets instead of stopping...because they're rolling downhill acording to you:D
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Well what I am saying is that because so many balls are missed near the pockets, particularly the side pockets and more so on the one you pull to, that the cloth is distorted there yes. Since its thinner, it would mean that it takes the hit from the cushion nose harder, thus causing it to roll in when it rolls down the rail at very slow speed. Not saying they roll downhill but just into the deeper trough which leads to the pocket. Not in front of the pocket directly but in front of the cushion next to the pocket opening, where your method pulls super tight side to side against the weft threads.. Why don't you guys who just read these threads go try it??????????? If you draw a box on one of your tables as I suggested we can see exactly what happens to the cloth the way you put it on. The line will be straight when you draw it but will it be straight when you undo the cloth near the side pockets? I have been wrong before but let's see, just don't say I am wrong. Any mech\tech can mark the table their doing next and see what happens. This is about as easy of a verification method there is. The cloth is already on, its coming off, mark the thing. Trying to find a marking crayon pencil in town to do mine and I will. Won't be surprised if mine is distorted, maybe not, I don't know. Can't we put just a little science into our discipline. Its not my way or your way or anybody elses. Its what is right. Doesn't bother me to be proved wrong about one of my ideas. But being proved wrong and told I am wrong are two dif things.

Like I said, if I am wrong I can live with it.

thanks John

PS, already the fastest growing thread in the AZ mech history, look at the hits. Would be even more if other guys would start marking their tables and contribute.
 
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OTLB said:
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Well what I am saying is that because so many balls are missed near the pockets, particularly the side pockets and more so on the one you pull to, that the cloth is distorted there yes. Since its thinner, it would mean that it takes the hit from the cushion nose harder, thus causing it to roll in when it rolls down the rail at very slow speed. Not saying they roll downhill but just into the deeper trough which leads to the pocket. Not in front of the pocket directly but in front of the cushion next to the pocket opening, where your method pulls super tight side to side against the weft threads.. Why don't you guys who just read these threads go try it??????????? If you draw a box on one of your tables as I suggested we can see exactly what happens to the cloth the way you put it on. The line will be straight when you draw it but will it be straight when you undo the cloth near the side pockets? I have been wrong before but let's see, just don't say I am wrong. Any mech\tech can mark the table their doing next and see what happens. This is about as easy of a verification method there is. The cloth is already on, its coming off, mark the thing. Trying to find a marking crayon pencil in town to do mine and I will. Won't be surprised if mine is distorted, maybe not, I don't know. Can't we put just a little science into our discipline. Its not my way or your way or anybody elses. Its what is right. Doesn't bother me to be proved wrong about one of my ideas. But being proved wrong and told I am wrong are two dif things.

Like I said, if I am wrong I can live with it.

thanks John

PS, already the fastest growing thread in the AZ mech history, look at the hits. Would be even more if other guys would start marking their tables and contribute.
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No John, not the fastest growing mechanic thread...LMAO I own the highest viewed threads in the mechanic section;) And just to let you in on a little secret...I've been marking out the stretch of all kinds of cloths for the last 26 years of being a mechanic, just ask Donny as I showed him how to mark out the bed cloths for perfect straight grain stretching, so marking out the bed cloths must be something new for you and your R&D but it's old news here:D

Glen
 
Apparently you missed my earlier posts where I also stated how I mark tables and for years and I have only been in the business 10 years, just ask A-1.... Now what I am talking about is today not yesterday. Marking beds when you take them off, all over. What is the problem with marking them and seeing? You know other mechs are going to start to do it. Now which thread are you talking about that has the most hits. Maybe I can revive one of mine. With over 3000 posts you should have the most hits in total but I am only a newcomer. MY 860 thread already has the most replies. Hits will follow in time which you have had on your side. This is all besides the point of the thread topic here isn't it. Lets stay on point. Straight line across the front of the side pocket before and after.

now its time for me to go to bed, I have to get to the gym in the morning to build up my pipes for our contest.
 
OTLB said:
Apparently you missed my earlier posts where I also stated how I mark tables and for years and I have only been in the business 10 years, just ask A-1.... Now what I am talking about is today not yesterday. Marking beds when you take them off, all over. What is the problem with marking them and seeing? You know other mechs are going to start to do it. Now which thread are you talking about that has the most hits. Maybe I can revive one of mine. With over 3000 posts you should have the most hits in total but I am only a newcomer. MY 860 thread already has the most replies. Hits will follow in time which you have had on your side. This is all besides the point of the thread topic here isn't it. Lets stay on point. Straight line across the front of the side pocket before and after.

now its time for me to go to bed, I have to get to the gym in the morning to build up my pipes for our contest.
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John, I started a thread that ended up with 421 posts, and 18,960 views...so keep doing what you're doing:D
 
where is it? not in the mech section, man you don't want me running loose in the other rooms do you? Look at my avatar, who is it?
 
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Acording to the first post or question everyone is wrong ...on how to install bed cloth? You do it the same as your rail cloth ....... shiny side up fuzzy side down or it plays slower? Now there's a stretch on words...


Craig
 
OTLB said:
where is it? not in the mech section, man you don't want me running loose in the other rooms do you? Look at my avatar, who is it?
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Who is it? I am going to guess its a younger you on a trip to
BURGER KING! LOL

Seriously, i think i have seen this crown before. I am going to guess it involves
Brunswick or someone from them..??
 
Scruffy, I am surprised at you. Winner will receive a set of OTLB extensions at any measurement they want free. S+H will be $49.95.
 
No , that rack is not mine although I did offer to haul it off for the guy. It is in what is supposed to be the oldest still in operation pool hall over in Alabama. That was such a nice piece but everything in that place was old but still functional. Nice that you noticed it .
 
I wish it was mine as well... LOL He had Anniversary's and Centenials as wellas an old snooker table. The tables did not play well BUT had great potential if the owner would have invested in his equipment to bring them up to snuff . That's my opinion, Icould be wrong....
 
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