How uncommon is it ....?

WilleeCue

WilleeCue

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How uncommon or common is it to watch your 8 ball opponent run four racks straight without missing a shot?

I wont tell you who did it to me last night till I get some replies but I was watching (and racking) and thinking this cant be very common in 8 ball ... but then I cold be wrong as I dont often play someone with pro speed.

Oh yeah ... the rest of the games were not run outs but dern close to it.
 
WilleeCue said:
How uncommon or common is it to watch your 8 ball opponent run four racks straight without missing a shot?

I wont tell you who did it to me last night till I get some replies but I was watching (and racking) and thinking this cant be very common in 8 ball ... but then I cold be wrong as I dont often play someone with pro speed.

Oh yeah ... the rest of the games were not run outs but dern close to it.
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Well, I was a ref in Vegas and I can tell you I watched one guy run four out of five racks and play one safety. This was a final in a Mini mania event. The whole match was one inning. His opponent asked me this, "What if a level seven is not high enough?"
 
Not uncommon to see in a good tournament. More common on 9' than barbox. Even I've strung a few on a barbox...and I am NOBODY. For example a recent race to 5, alt break went like this...

Rack 1: Opponent dry breaks, I run out
Rack 2: I B&R
Rack 3: Opponent dry breaks, I run out
Rack 4: I B&R
Rack 5: Opponent safety breaks, I play it like straight pool & run out

I've run 6 consecutive on the 9' ending in a dry break...ran out anyway but I don't count it.
 
Depends on the table and how it is breaking. Was it a 9' or 7'

Not this year, but last year In Vegas BCA I played a 3rd round match where each of us broke and ran our first three racks in alternate breaks...(6 break and runs in a row)

Neither of us were pro quality players at the time...(I don't know if my opponent is now since I have never seen him again)

Lucky for me my opponent faltered on the 7th rack leaving me a road map to get on the hill. I then scratched on my break and my oppent faltered again leaving me another road map out for the set.

I missed 0 balls in that set and won 5-3 but frankly the table was breaking so soft (2-4 balls going in on the break) and the patterns I ended up were all seemingly stop shots...

It all depends on the variables.

I lost my very next match on a different table to a guy that could not make 4 balls in a row....Problem I seemingly could not make 3 in a row....:eek:
 
I've run three racks of 8 ball in competition (without missing :grin-square: ), and I'm not that great a player (a strong B around here, likely a very weak B in larger areas). When I did it the balls were breaking nicely. Just a data point.

Dave
 
Thorsten Hohmann (pro speed) has run 404 in straight pool, 26 break and runs in 8 ball and 20 something (low 20's) break and runs in 9ball.

Rg
8ball run may be 1 rack more or less.
 
Runnin' Racks

It's not common for me, but the other guys I shoot with do it all the time. We got together Sunday to play a little since league was starting back up this week. We were playing on a 7' with Simonis. Any how, my buddy broke and ran 4 racks on me right off the git go. All I ever got to do was rack. He probably could have kept going but I think he felt sorry for me. I was a bit demoralized. I thought briefly about breaking one of his arms, so I had a chance:wink:
 
I'd never be called a pro, but "back in the day" at a local "race to 2" eight ball tournament I had one B&R in every match maybe 5 total, and one match ran both from the toss.

This was on 8-footers. I won the tournament without a game loss, and with the "2-pack" ended up running more than 50% of the games, which is a big # for me.
 
There are some factors which come into play that may affect being able to run 4+: How good the racker is, Open after the break or take what you make, good or bad rails/cloth/etc, if your opponent is respectful of your attempt being quiet or chirping in your ear, someone trying to be Axl Rose singin "Sweet Child 'O Mine" during karaoke night, etc. But you still have to get good rolls after the break where you only have to maneuver to get to 1 or 2 clusters or specific pocket to shoot blocked ball to.
 
WilleeCue said:
How uncommon or common is it to watch your 8 ball opponent run four racks straight without missing a shot?

I wont tell you who did it to me last night till I get some replies but I was watching (and racking) and thinking this cant be very common in 8 ball ... but then I cold be wrong as I dont often play someone with pro speed.

Oh yeah ... the rest of the games were not run outs but dern close to it.
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I will have to concur with the rest that it probably is not all that uncommon.

I am a C+ player (B-- maybe) and I have run 4 in a row in alternating break with my opponent breaking and running all 4 of his racks, as well. Unfortunately I missed on my 5th rack and he ran out from there. So he wins 5 - 4 with (1) miss combined between us the entire match.

This was on a 7 foot table, race to 5, alternating breaks.

As far as stringing racks consecutively, without alternating break, I believe 3 or 4 in 8 ball is my highest on a 7 foot table. I don't play 8-ball on 9-foot tables, generally.
 
This happened to me playing an SL 3 in APA.... he broke and made the 8 on the break, I racked, he broke and made the 8 on the break,, match over. I think he and I both have a memory for life:D
 
In 8-bal for the city tournament.

I had 4 consecutive B&Rs on a 7' diamond (new cloth)

1: opponent breaks and comes up dry. I run out
2: B&R
3: 8onb
4: b&r
5: break make 3 stripes and no shot :(. He misses and run out.

This unfortunate chain of events bumped me to a 7 :(

I'm far from pro speed and i've seen similar things happen quite a few times.
 
WilleeCue said:
How uncommon or common is it to watch your 8 ball opponent run four racks straight without missing a shot?

I wont tell you who did it to me last night till I get some replies but I was watching (and racking) and thinking this cant be very common in 8 ball ... but then I cold be wrong as I dont often play someone with pro speed.

Oh yeah ... the rest of the games were not run outs but dern close to it.
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It happens all the time with good players. Even on the tough IPT equipment, in the finals of the IPT North American Tourney, I think there were only a couple of racks that weren't broken and ran. On easier equipment, some of these pros might never miss.

On bar tables, even on tougher Diamond Smart Tables, we've watched matches where there were 7 or more break and runs in a row at the National events for BCA(PL). In the hands of someone like Darren Appleton or Shane Van Boening, 8-ball on a bar box looks entirely too easy for them.

So, yeah, it's not uncommon.

Fred
 
Even I broke and ran 6 in a row on an 8 footer in the late 90's against an old man that challenged my table. Everything always broke apart and I was in the zone. I can still remember parts of the runouts! I didn't even know how many I had run until he pulled up and said, "I've spent $3 (at .50/game) and I know I'm shooting pretty good!" ;) Don't know if I would have managed a 7th rack if he hadn't quit me.
 
During Grand 8-ball Master in England, 2006, David Alcaide from Spain went undefeated through the tough field.

The format was best of 5 sets, race to 8. Against Daryl Peach in the Quarterfinal David Alcaide had 9 consecutive break & runs, before letting Daryl Peach shoot in the next set. Next time David Alcaide was on the table he hit Daryl with a 6-pack.

In his first match against Jonni Fulcher, he won the second set 8-0, without Jonni shooting at all. David won the lag, and did 8 break & runs. He didn't stop there, he ran the next 2 in the third set too, so in fact he ran a 10-pack.

He had several break & runs in the semifinal against Tony Drago and in the final against Imran Majid, but no "packs".
 
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