How would the women rank among the men...
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Hemi Ill see you at the Derby
Hemi my good friend. It seems like you are totally frustrated that the southern ring games fell apart. I know that it is a long wait before Gradys event in Gulfport and next years Derby but I am trying to wait it out and suffer these withdrawal system from our drug of choice-ACTION! I remind you that this thread is about "How would the women rank among the men". You like Jack Palance in Shane want them to "Prove it!".
Why people would still want to continue talking about this issue is beyond me. Its like the abortion issue. Either you are for it or against it. Speaking about abortion, the strength of woman cannot be denied. They are stronger. Have you ever known a man to go through childbirth. If we men had to we would all be a puddle of jelly. LOL!!!
Maybe you should start a new ACTION/Gambling thread like the one someone started about Leonardo Andam. How did he do by the way. Anyone know?
Hemi my good friend. It seems like you are totally frustrated that the southern ring games fell apart. I know that it is a long wait before Gradys event in Gulfport and next years Derby but I am trying to wait it out and suffer these withdrawal system from our drug of choice-ACTION! I remind you that this thread is about "How would the women rank among the men". You like Jack Palance in Shane want them to "Prove it!".
Why people would still want to continue talking about this issue is beyond me. Its like the abortion issue. Either you are for it or against it. Speaking about abortion, the strength of woman cannot be denied. They are stronger. Have you ever known a man to go through childbirth. If we men had to we would all be a puddle of jelly. LOL!!!
Maybe you should start a new ACTION/Gambling thread like the one someone started about Leonardo Andam. How did he do by the way. Anyone know?
Hey Yobagua, I had kidney stones and even women say they are worse than childbirth. People can tolerate a lot if they have no choice.
I think you're right that Hemi wants an action match pretty bad or he would have noticed that someone mentioned in another post that Allison was offered the 6 and turned it down, and that's what I was referring to.
I think you're right that Hemi wants an action match pretty bad or he would have noticed that someone mentioned in another post that Allison was offered the 6 and turned it down, and that's what I was referring to.
yobagua said:
Rickw said:
Again, I agree with every word Rick. Vagabond is the one that posted it, in responce to Jungledude. He also is the one who posted that Karen could give Jamie Farrell the last two and spank him, lol.
On another thread, http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=312, Vagabond has been trying to gamble with Jungledude for some time now and Jungledude called him on his Karen giving Jamie the last two. I would love to see them play. Like Yobagua said, this is my DRUG of choice, gambling and he is probably right, I am in withdrawal.
I totally intended no disrespect to you, Rick. You are one of my most respected posters here. You never offered to gamble with anyone. So my posts regarding gambling are intended for the two people who wish to gamble with each other in the first place, Vagabond and Jungledude.
No problem and no offense taken Hemi. I don't want to get into a love fest but I've always admired your posts too. I am not a big gambler but I love to watch, be around it and even get in a small bet if it's okay. I would love to watch some action especially involving top players whether they're men or women. I hope you get into some good action and good luck!
hemicudas said:
Howdy Jungle Dude and Hemicudas,
I am surprised to see the excitement my comment generated.I was only expressing my opinion about MS.Fisher`s capabilities.I did not intend to challenge any one here .I never engaged in side betting or staking some one.Sorry to disappoint you,Gentleman.Cheers
Vagabond
I am surprised to see the excitement my comment generated.I was only expressing my opinion about MS.Fisher`s capabilities.I did not intend to challenge any one here .I never engaged in side betting or staking some one.Sorry to disappoint you,Gentleman.Cheers
Vagabond
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To all the woman pros who might read this, I seriously mean no disrepsect when I say that you have no chance at beating the top 30 men in the world.
There is no chance any woman could win a full field mens event. The mens game is much stronger, more consistent, they are much better shot makers and most importantly their safety play is a world apart from the womans game.
I hope I have not insulted anyone with my opinion.
There is no chance any woman could win a full field mens event. The mens game is much stronger, more consistent, they are much better shot makers and most importantly their safety play is a world apart from the womans game.
I hope I have not insulted anyone with my opinion.
Vagabond, you know you're stretching the truth here, you just didn't expect to have one accept your challenge. We both like to gamble so let's get it on....jungledudevagabond said:
hemicudas said:
I believe that was the one I was thinking about. I meant "here" as in, the U.S.. I was replying to someone who said that it took efren YEARS to win here in the U.S.. Was that when he very first came to this country? I'm not sure, since it was a little before my time in the pool hall.
Jimmy M. said:I believe that was the one I was thinking about. I meant "here" as in, the U.S.. I was replying to someone who said that it took efren YEARS to win here in the U.S.. Was that when he very first came to this country? I'm not sure, since it was a little before my time in the pool hall.
Yes, Jimmy is right. Efren won the very first tournament in US soil he entered. So far no one has mentioned that he also cleaned the back room by offering good weight to any of the pros. I belive his backers offered races to 11, but Efren's opponens would need to win only 7, 8 or 9 racks. Despite the weight given, Efren was winning sets 11-4, 11-3 etc. Every pro in that tournament was dumbfounded about Efren's abilities.
About the original question. I think Allison and Karen would hardly have any chance in the long run in mens tour. They would occasionally win a match or two, but always be outplayed with tough male opponents, even the ones without any fame or name. Admitted, they both can beat many of the top pros, but hey, even I can beat them if they have a bad day ! Still, that doesn't make me a top player in the world. Beating one top player doesn't mean that beating all top players becomes a routine !
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Gremlin Please Shut Up About You Think Women Can Beat Men They Just Cant. And If You Bet Some On Your Women Players Step Up.
hi gremlin
Interesting discussion it seems as always on the "forum" LOL
There was a big article in BD that interviwed many pros(including me) last year with Fisher and Archer on cover.
Harry, you coming down again this year to Orlando? I still owe u lunch!
Take care,
Charlie
PS Karen Corr never beat me before( we played once in Joss Event and I won 9-2 and I won again in an exhibition match in Boston) But she did beat Mika(2x not 3x)
Other than that, she is a good player
Interesting discussion it seems as always on the "forum" LOL
There was a big article in BD that interviwed many pros(including me) last year with Fisher and Archer on cover.
Harry, you coming down again this year to Orlando? I still owe u lunch!
Take care,
Charlie
PS Karen Corr never beat me before( we played once in Joss Event and I won 9-2 and I won again in an exhibition match in Boston) But she did beat Mika(2x not 3x)
Other than that, she is a good player
Gremlin said:Hi piglit,
Jeanette lee, Allison Fisher, Helena Thornfeldt don't play against men. Karen Corr "Irish Invader" is the only one who plays against men regularly as a member in good standing of the Mike Zuglan's Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour. I refer you to the 2003 combined winnings list. At least 1/3 of Karen's winnings came form playing the men on the Joss Northeast Tour. Keith McCready has played Karen and would be a first class judge of her skills.
Johnny Archer $131,460.00
Francisco Bustamante $118,975.00
Efren Reyes $106,050.00
Alex Pagulayan $94,513.00
Thorsten Hohmann $91,500.00
Jose Parica $75,670.00
Karen Corr $62,165.00
Jeremy Jones $55,485.00
Rodney Morris $53,475.00
Mika Immonen $44,418.00
Earl Strickland $43,547.00
Jeanette Lee $43,150.00
Tony Drago $42,500.00
Charlie Williams $41,669.00
Allison Fisher $41,000.00
Santos Sambajon $40,975.00
Ralf Souquet $34,585.00
John Schmidt $33,252.00
Helena Thornfeldt $32,290.00
Danny Hewitt $31,130.00
Of the men on this list that I know of Karen has defeated Mika three times. Danny Hewitt, Charlie Williams and Santos. She has played Keith and never beaten him yet?
Allison doesn't play many men, Helena practices against men, and Jeanette plays in tournaments like the DCC for show not for the prize money. One of Karen's favorite expressions is there is money to be made on the Joss Tour.
Oh, Karen is one of my favorite women players so I am biased.
Cheers,
Gremlin
She (Allison) is great. But she couldn't beat men pro's on a regular basis.
I saw her play snooker some years ago on Eurosport against Jimmy White. That was the first time I ever saw a woman play. She managed to snatch 2 frames in a race to 6. Not bad, but you have to know that Jimmy took it real easy on her...never used "foul&miss" rule agains her as he had a few chances to do so. Furthermore, he went for all kinds of crazy shots on a snooker table, and has missed many.
If she was really as good as some think, she would have stayed in England and beat the crap out of Hendry, Davis...etc. Not to even mention Ronnie O'Sullivan, the current champ. He's a cueist god...just too damn perfect. Even the top guys have trouble even getting a respectable loss against him lately.
The difference at pool may not be as severe because of the nature of 9ball and bigger pockets, etc; but really in a longer race how could you play against Efren Reyes? He just plays position and safeties too good. The only way to beat him is to make him sit out many many racks. Very few men can do that, let alone a woman.
I saw her play snooker some years ago on Eurosport against Jimmy White. That was the first time I ever saw a woman play. She managed to snatch 2 frames in a race to 6. Not bad, but you have to know that Jimmy took it real easy on her...never used "foul&miss" rule agains her as he had a few chances to do so. Furthermore, he went for all kinds of crazy shots on a snooker table, and has missed many.
If she was really as good as some think, she would have stayed in England and beat the crap out of Hendry, Davis...etc. Not to even mention Ronnie O'Sullivan, the current champ. He's a cueist god...just too damn perfect. Even the top guys have trouble even getting a respectable loss against him lately.
The difference at pool may not be as severe because of the nature of 9ball and bigger pockets, etc; but really in a longer race how could you play against Efren Reyes? He just plays position and safeties too good. The only way to beat him is to make him sit out many many racks. Very few men can do that, let alone a woman.
Jimmy M. said:I believe that was the one I was thinking about. I meant "here" as in, the U.S.. I was replying to someone who said that it took efren YEARS to win here in the U.S.. Was that when he very first came to this country? I'm not sure, since it was a little before my time in the pool hall.
Exactly right, Jimmy. My fault. I thought you meant, here, as in AZ or CA. Yes, it was in 1980-81. Logically, he stayed around Chicago and beat everyone there before his action got knocked and had to hit the road. Tommy Spencer took it personally to. He "Was" the top player in town for a few years, lol.
doublewideclyde said:
clyde, you have to cut Gremlin some slack. He's just a fan, but usually is a little uninformed. He mentioned Karen beating Santos Sambajon. I can't remember if she did or not, but I do know that Karen got drilled for $6000 this past weekend. Oh yea, that was by umm... Santos Sambajon (the next day she was taking lessons from him). Draw your own conclusions.
Brian