how would ya hit it?

Fatboy said:
Isn’t CoF a measurement?
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COF is a proportional measurement.
Think about the tires on your car and an asphalt highway.
Tires wear,.... now make the rubber harder on your tires. The COF changes.
Change the asphalt highway to sand. The COF changes again.
To talk about 2 pool balls made of the same material,(ie: phenolic resin) moving at 12 inches per second ; the COF is practically nil.
Take a piece of lead and collide it head-on with a piece of tungsten steel at the speed of light,.... NOW you have a COF worth talking about!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That's not the usual definition of gearing. It usually means the surfaces rolling across one another with no rubbing or friction, specifically to prevent "snagging",

In fact, it's used to describe the amount of outside english that exactly does that on a cut shot (by hitting the CB 2/5 of the distance from center to the CB's "opposite" contact point).

pj
chgo
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I've always thought of it as gearing. Meshing was the first term I heard on the matter but same thing. That is after all what happens. With draw you get propulsion with follow you get a jam.
 
Dunnn51 said:
LOL,
How many times in league did you see a banger completely miss a simple cut-angle shot they slow rolled???
Then they have this look of total disbelief becausethey could of sworn they AIMED center pocket. They missed b/c they slow rolled for center pocket and the Gearing/throw made the ball miss center pocket and hit the point of the pocket.
Science meets sport,..... 😛
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When a banger 'slow rolls' they usually cue it low and off horizontal center. This makes the cue ball deviate the intended course.
 
justnum said:
A kick shot into the side pocket is a high percentage shot. I argue its a better chance because there is more margin for error.

Would beginners play the shot as a kick?

Kick shot I can aim center ball and hit the rail at a speed that cue ball just dies after contacting OB.
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I've been on this forum for quite a long while, but THIS, by far, is the most uninformed post I've ever read. From this one post I can see that you know nothing, what so ever, about pool in the real world. Maybe you play it on the computer, but even that has come into question now.

Nobody would kick at this shot if the outcome meant something to them. Nobody. Kickers go home broke.

By kicking you are introducing tons of variables into the shot. They're too many for me to explain to you, and if you can manage to write such nonsense after all your time here, why would anyone bother trying to educate you?
 
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Straightpool_99 said:
I've been on this forum for quite a long while, but THIS, by far, is the most uninformed post I've ever read. From this one post I can see that you know nothing, what so ever, about pool in the real world. Maybe you play it on the computer, but even that has come into question now.

Nobody would kick at this shot if the outcome meant something to them. Nobody. Kickers go home broke.

By kicking you are introducing tons of variables into the shot. They're too many for me to explain to you, and if you can manage to write such nonsense after all your time here, why would anyone bother trying to educate you?
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There is competition shots and there are test shots.

DrDave threads are always about test shots.

Test the kickshot success rate vs the "straight-in".

Do three shots of each for calibration. Then try ten shots of each using an informed aiming line and see which shot has the higher success.

This education is sponsored by the Harriman Academy. Much of the advancements made are based on concepts similar to DrDave.
 
justnum said:
There is competition shots and there are test shots.

DrDave threads are always about test shots.

Test the kickshot success rate vs the "straight-in".

Do three shots of each for calibration. Then try ten shots of each using an informed aiming line and see which shot has the higher success.

This education is sponsored by the Harriman Academy. Much of the advancements made are based on concepts similar to DrDave.
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Where are the Harriman videos?
 
Dunnn51 said:
COF is a proportional measurement.
Think about the tires on your car and an asphalt highway.
Tires wear,.... now make the rubber harder on your tires. The COF changes.
Change the asphalt highway to sand. The COF changes again.
To talk about 2 pool balls made of the same material,(ie: phenolic resin) moving at 12 inches per second ; the COF is practically nil.
Take a piece of lead and collide it head-on with a piece of tungsten steel at the speed of light,.... NOW you have a COF worth talking about!
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I had 3 semester's of physics and 9 of chem in school. Forever ago. Some things I forgot, some I didn’t. Pool seemed more interesting
 
Here is a PSA --

Ignore the bickering and just go practice.

Rail shot practice

This guy is easy to understand and explains everything well.
I have no association to him except that I subbed his channel.
 
justnum said:
There is competition shots and there are test shots.

DrDave threads are always about test shots.

Test the kickshot success rate vs the "straight-in".

Do three shots of each for calibration. Then try ten shots of each using an informed aiming line and see which shot has the higher success.

This education is sponsored by the Harriman Academy. Much of the advancements made are based on concepts similar to DrDave.
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Man, I gave u credit for a decent deadpan joke on your first post...still pales in comparisson to FatBoy saying he banks it back under his nut sack, but decent. But if you are actually advocating a kick is higher percentage than low outside...or really any direct shot at the OB, i dunno what to say other than this post probably convinced anyone considering joining the Harriman Academy to reconsider just because you are associated with it.
 
justnum said:
There is competition shots and there are test shots.

DrDave threads are always about test shots.

Test the kickshot success rate vs the "straight-in".

Do three shots of each for calibration. Then try ten shots of each using an informed aiming line and see which shot has the higher success.

This education is sponsored by the Harriman Academy. Much of the advancements made are based on concepts similar to DrDave.
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You know nothing about pool. I'm shocked that Danny Harriman, who is undeniably a great player, would allow you to use his name like this. Ask Danny if he'd kick at this shot for 100k when he could shoot it straight in, and which shot he thinks is the highest percentage.

If you're any kind of player at all, you should be shocked and ashamed to miss this shot at all, when shot straight in. Everybody misses simple shots once in a great while, but there is nothing especially difficult about this one, nothing to really blame for missing, other than yourself. Take an actual physical, real world lesson from Danny Harriman and practise a bit. You should be able to make this shot 20 times in a row, first attempt. You don't need a world class player like Danny, even. Just take some lessons from a local shortstop. Have him look you over and fix whatever is going on in your stroke and stance. Then you can shoot this shot all day long on almost any pool table. The kick shot success will vary from table to table, from day to day, hour to hour. And needless to say, will be much lower.
 
tomatoshooter said:
If you are feeling fancy, a little less draw with some inside can put the cue ball in the same corner pocket as the object ball.
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When I play my kids, if I don't scratch on the last ball, I lose. Will def try this option. Woulda just been scratchin opposite side like a nit till you showed me the light. Added bonus of the inside maybe inducing a miss and giving them another inning. All around better shot under the circumstances. Thanks :p
 
justnum said:
There is competition shots and there are test shots.
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So that's what you meant when you said this?

justnum said:
A kick shot into the side pocket is a high percentage shot. I argue its a better chance because there is more margin for error.
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So this is the kind of "expertise" beginners can expect to learn at the Harriman/Numbnuts "Academy".

Go away.

pj
chgo
 
Deruki said:
Niels Feijen made an entire video for the world to have for free about a year ago explaining this exact shot.

I think I'll do it exactly like he says thank you very much.

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thanks for the link. neils is a great player, and I'm always happy to give him a watch/listen
about the shot, I like the way the ob moves when the cb is struck how neils describes..looks smooth
and I've hit similar various shots this way, just haven't put the time in to do it more..motivated now!
"hit it how you're comfortable" has been mentioned- this sure makes sense, and as a result
it makes sense to be familiar with different ways of hitting the shot=more ways to be comfortable
thanks again-
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I've been on this forum for quite a long while, but THIS, by far, is the most uninformed post I've ever read. From this one post I can see that you know nothing, what so ever, about pool in the real world. Maybe you play it on the computer, but even that has come into question now.

Nobody would kick at this shot if the outcome meant something to them. Nobody. Kickers go home broke.

By kicking you are introducing tons of variables into the shot. They're too many for me to explain to you, and if you can manage to write such nonsense after all your time here, why would anyone bother trying to educate you?
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This guy is simply trying to takeover the Village Idiot title.

Freddie <~~~ current title holder
 
Patrick Johnson said:
No, it's the other side (because the rail acts like a "mirror").

pj
chgo

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The_JV said:
Patrick already responded, but since you asked us both.... For this shot, regardless of CB position, I would aim to miss the long rail point.
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thank y'all for the responses
JV, are you in agreement with pat? I can't quite tell
to me, missing the long rail point means aiming towards the left side of the pocket..
 
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