How Would You Get Out ?

Zphix said:
I'd cut the 7 and float about a diamond or diamond and a half below mid-table and take the 8 in the side to get easy position on the 9.

Saw this post and ran it out a few times while practicing. Unless the side pockets are super tight it's not that difficult.
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Yes, it's possible to go that route. But, going that route, there is a greater possibility of over-running position and having to bank the 8. And, of cutting the 8 and not getting the natural easy angle on the 9. Just more things that can go wrong.

The less chances you take on things going wrong, the less they will go wrong. It's all about repeat-ability pattern choices. You want to get in the habit of taking the patterns that can create the least amount of problems for you. Not just whatever works.
 
Neil said:
Yes, it's possible to go that route. But, going that route, there is a greater possibility of over-running position and having to bank the 8. And, of cutting the 8 and not getting the natural easy angle on the 9. Just more things that can go wrong.

The less chances you take on things going wrong, the less they will go wrong. It's all about repeat-ability pattern choices. You want to get in the habit of taking the patterns that can create the least amount of problems for you. Not just whatever works.
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Ordinarily I do think that way and usually play for natural shape but sometimes I don't see the natural shape, or the natural shape is tougher. Guys above said go three rails, etc. and I'm not yet precise enough with position to be able to do that.

Thus, my run out option was easiest for me. You're totally right though! Thankfully I'm getting better at seeing the non problematic shape. :thumbup:



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Zphix said:
Ordinarily I do think that way and usually play for natural shape but sometimes I don't see the natural shape, or the natural shape is tougher. Guys above said go three rails, etc. and I'm not yet precise enough with position to be able to do that.

Thus, my run out option was easiest for me. You're totally right though! Thankfully I'm getting better at seeing the non problematic shape. :thumbup:



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Next time you are in the pool room, set this shot up. I think you will be surprised to find that it actually is easier to go 3 rails. You have a much larger margin of error on angle and speed.
 
Zphix has a point there, I think. If you're not used to shooting with english, especially inside, cinching the 7 and taking the simplest route possible would probably be best. For lower level players, the RIGHT shot and what they should shoot in a match are often 2 different things.
 
CSykes24 said:
Anyone that says outside english, I want to gamble with you.
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Please contact Jose Parica in care of West Coast, U S of A:grin:.

I never played good enough to understand why some top players shoot it like this but many do.


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I can see how coming off the 2 rails that way, you are guaranteeing yourself a good angle on the 8 to get to the 9. Going 3 rails with inside, there's a chance you will get straight in or end up with a back cut on the 8.
But you need to be pretty exact with your angle control to hit the 2nd rail where he does... a real touchy shot and lots to go wrong for most of us mere mortals.
 
Neil said:
Next time you are in the pool room, set this shot up. I think you will be surprised to find that it actually is easier to go 3 rails. You have a much larger margin of error on angle and speed.
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Right you are lol.

Cinching the 7 with inside isn't a problem for me - I just didn't see the natural 3 railer to the 8.

Very, very nice shot :D



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Old Nine Baller said:
Please contact Jose Parica in care of West Coast, U S of A:grin:.

I never played good enough to understand why some top players shoot it like this but many do.


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Classic example of just because a pro, even a hall of famer, does something, it doesn't mean it's the best way to do it. There are many, many cases of the pros taking one route, and even other pro commentators asking why they would even choose to go that way.

In this case, Jose has the fine tuning to avoid the 9. Most amateurs would not.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
Please contact Jose Parica in care of West Coast, U S of A:grin:.

I never played good enough to understand why some top players shoot it like this but many do.


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It's because for Jose, pulling off this shape is easy. It's all based on personal skill level and he is totally confident with his own ability. I am not as confident I could roll up to that floating position. I always like to bounce off an extra rail on traveling shots if possible - speed control is a lot easier.
 
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victorl said:
I can see how coming off the 2 rails that way, you are guaranteeing yourself a good angle on the 8 to get to the 9. Going 3 rails with inside, there's a chance you will get straight in or end up with a back cut on the 8.
But you need to be pretty exact with your angle control to hit the 2nd rail where he does... a real touchy shot and lots to go wrong for most of us mere mortals.
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I'm failing to see the problem of being straight in on the 8.?? I would WANT to be straight in on it. Then all I have to do is pocket it and follow down table a little bit for straight in on the 9. Just connect the dots. Even a back cut on the 8 still gives you perfect shape on the 9.
 
Neil said:
I'm failing to see the problem of being straight in on the 8.?? I would WANT to be straight in on it. Then all I have to do is pocket it and follow down table a little bit for straight in on the 9. Just connect the dots. Even a back cut on the 8 still gives you perfect shape on the 9.
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The 8 and 9 position makes the shape on this pretty easy, because pretty much any shot on the 8 gives shape on the 9.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
Except for the shot Parica shot:). He was slightly over-stretched on the 8 and underhit it.

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LOL! I hate to say this, but I feel he played the 8 wrong also! You don't try and hold that shot, you simply go across table and you can't go wrong! Even if you stick yourself frozen to the opposite side rail, you are still shooting an easier shot than he has there!

edit: look at his stance. He easily could have hit that shot harder than he did. He didn't underhit the speed, he was trying to hold it and overhit the speed.
 
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You're right, in this example, the 8 to 9 is simple so you can pretty get there with any angle on the 8.
I'm just trying to say that he's shooting to give himself the exact position and angle that he wants, instead of coming around 3 rails and having some uncertainty as to what exactly he'll be shooting next (which is perfectly fine and what I would do myself).
 
Is that a ten-footer? I can't see why he would have any trouble reaching a cue ball in the middle of the table that's not even past the side pocket.
 
Absolutely

Neil said:
Next time you are in the pool room, set this shot up. I think you will be surprised to find that it actually is easier to go 3 rails. You have a much larger margin of error on angle and speed.
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Agreed, and the reason being is your CB is heading down the line toward the OB, whereas if you go 2 rails outside your cutting across that line and relying on speed alone to land on the 8 :wink:
 
Agreed

Neil said:
LOL! I hate to say this, but I feel he played the 8 wrong also! You don't try and hold that shot, you simply go across table and you can't go wrong! Even if you stick yourself frozen to the opposite side rail, you are still shooting an easier shot than he has there!

edit: look at his stance. He easily could have hit that shot harder than he did. He didn't underhit the speed, he was trying to hold it and overhit the speed.
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Soooo...to summarize the thread, even though we are watching a HOFer, he should of played the 7 three rails (the overall consensus), because if he's reaching for the 8 then he is slightly out of line causing him to continue to be out of line for the 9, BUT because he is a HOFer he gets out anyway ! :grin-square:
 
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