How would you get position on the 9 ball?

Straight draw over and back is the easiest way to play it, no need to hit the short rail. Or just come out of the corner, or hit it like a Filipino with inside. I think most pros would just draw over and back, highest percentage of not screwing it up.

This is correct, IMO, but with a touch of left on the draw.
 
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So I set it up 5 times when I got home from work. I believe I set it up fairly even though I was tempted to give myself a slightly better angle. Of the five shots: 1 miscue, 1 draw to under the first diamond, 2 hit the ball that I stuck on the first diamond for reference, one that hit about halfway between the first and second diamond. Not going to post the video because there's nothing to be proud of.

The equipment is a new 9' Diamond table, polished aramith balls, measles cue ball. I feel that I have a pretty big stroke, and would be very impressed if someone can hit the middle diamond under similar conditions.

To sum it up, JC was right, I was wrong. :(
 
I still believe that drawing the ball to the long rail and back across is the best shot for position on the 9-ball.
 
I still believe that drawing the ball to the long rail and back across is the best shot for position on the 9-ball.

I blew up the picture to get a better idea of exactly how the 8 ball and the cue ball are laying. I am certain that I can draw the cue ball at the very least straight across the table (to stay above the first diamond, since the 8 ball is above the first diamond) and back over for good position on the 9. If I hit it good I think it's possible to scratch in the right-hand side pocket.
 
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just messin with ya
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Hey man, it's all good. I thought for sure I's be able to draw AT LEAST above the first diamond every time. 1 out of 5 is not what I had in mind. No problem admitting I was wrong. Anyone saying otherwise will have to show proof to convince me otherwise. :thumbup:
 
I blew up the picture to get a better idea of exactly how the 8 ball and the cue ball are laying. I am certain that I can draw the cue ball at the very least straight across the table (to stay above the first diamond, since the 8 ball is above the first diamond) and back over for good position on the 9. If I hit it good I think it's possible to scratch in the right-hand side pocket.

I had no problem getting above the side pocket once the cue ball hit the rail with all that spin on it. Getting the cue ball to hit the second diamond on that long rail is where I was mistaken. Tough shot.
 
I had no problem getting above the side pocket once the cue ball hit the rail with all that spin on it. Getting the cue ball to hit the second diamond on that long rail is where I was mistaken. Tough shot.

Well, in that case, you da' man!
 
Just wondering....could Brags be a JustinB?

Or at least JustinB with a new ID?

Just wondrin'.
No. I don't think Justin knows to lie a little sometimes. This guy 'Brags' is a well practiced and proficient liar. He's one of those that can start lying, realize that you know he's lying, then keep on lying!
 
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So I set it up 5 times when I got home from work. I believe I set it up fairly even though I was tempted to give myself a slightly better angle. Of the five shots: 1 miscue, 1 draw to under the first diamond, 2 hit the ball that I stuck on the first diamond for reference, one that hit about halfway between the first and second diamond. Not going to post the video because there's nothing to be proud of.

The equipment is a new 9' Diamond table, polished aramith balls, measles cue ball. I feel that I have a pretty big stroke, and would be very impressed if someone can hit the middle diamond under similar conditions.

To sum it up, JC was right, I was wrong. :(

It ain't over until Brags says it is.....

He plans to do it with a broom handle tonight.:)

BTW I agree with you totally, low left over and back all day for shape on the 9. Just have to spin it to get closer to the 9.

Everything else is much more fallible.

JC
 
It ain't over until Brags says it is.....

He plans to do it with a broom handle tonight.:)

BTW I agree with you totally, low left over and back all day for shape on the 9. Just have to spin it to get closer to the 9.

Everything else is much more fallible.

JC

I'll head to the pool hall tomorrow to give it a try.
 
"Can you show a video or diagram of what that would look like?"

Not really, I get this computer turned on and figured out how to do the chat...but that is about the extent of my expertise
 
Didn't need to read the thread but started out of curiosity and stopped after the first 3 pages... hard draw, left to right throw...done..easy...

The lie means EVERYTHING to this shot. If the 8 was out left another inch or so you'd have scratched or had no control...
 
I still believe that drawing the ball to the long rail and back across is the best shot for position on the 9-ball.

I set it up and shot it three times in a row, straight draw, medium firm stroke, and all three times had good shape on the nine. I love playing guys who try too hard to get perfect position on the nine by making the shot before the nine more difficult than it should be. Often enough, just shooting the shot in the most simple/straight-forward way is sufficient. Unless you're playing 10-bal or Rotation, there's no reason to take a chance on missing the 8 for specific shape on the 9....just be sure to leave yourself a good shot, doesn't have to be straight in.
 
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I recorded 3 straight draw shots for this setup, then decided to shoot 3 with inside draw. Used coach's eye app to provide commentary.

https://youtu.be/IAAGLQXW0V0

The thing is, during a game, you DON'T get to practice the shot, no do overs either, and as i already stated in my last post, you just need to keep the shot simple, fancy gets your ass in trouble when you LEAST expect it. So, simple to win, fancy to ahow off....the OP was wrong in my opinion.
 
The thing is, during a game, you DON'T get to practice the shot, no do overs either, and as i already stated in my last post, you just need to keep the shot simple, fancy gets your ass in trouble when you LEAST expect it. So, simple to win, fancy to ahow off....the OP was wrong in my opinion.

Exactly. I marked the table where it looked like the same setup, then set the camera up and started recording, no practice shots or retakes. The straight draw felt more natural and the results were much more consistent. When I shot with low inside my speed was off first, then my spin was off, then I finally hit it well enough to get a shot on the 9.

That's a good way to practice shape on odd angles...shoot it several ways and stick with the most consistent method, which is usually the simplest method.
 

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Still going with bottom right.

Bottom pulls the cue ball back a little and the inside makes it come straight back over once it hits the long rail. Keeps it a safe distance from the side pocket as well.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zATfXfV7Tgk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYRAlByk9A

Why would you worry about bottom right english, unless you're insisting on spinning the cue ball for an unknown reason, as soon as the cue hits the object ball with draw, unless you're power drawing the cue, it won't have any side spin on it when it comes in contact with the first rail, it'll just be rolling speed coming off the first rail across the table. That little inside spin you're talking about will set your cue ball right on the end rail damn near, cor a much harder shot.on the 9 than needed.
 
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