How Would You Play This? 2/20/09

SpiderWebComm said:
I think the proper way to play this is to cut the 5 into the side with low-right english... pulling the CB to the side rail and behind the 8. If you make it, you have a good chance to make the 6 in the bottom side. If you miss, you have a great chance to hook your opponent.

Unless I'm missing something, I can't think of why you wouldn't at least go for a 2-way shot here, given the position of the re-positioned 5 and where the 6 lays. Give yourself a chance to win.

Dave
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The cut is much thinner than that. You're sending the cueball loose.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, I think you may have also forgotten to put your Wei-glasses on. On the diagram, the cut looks reasonable but in reality, it's much more challenging.
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If it is a shot into the side pocket, I am sweating it. There are no easy shots there for me. I will often play tuff shape to avoid the side.
 
It appears by the table that you can hit the 5 full face just about, if that is the case then I might use a slight cut on the 5 driving it straight across table with high inside sending the CB 2 rails down table and long , hopefully by the bottom corner pocket. The 5 should come across below the 8 with the inside spin and hide hopefully behind the balls on the table.
 
selftaut said:
It appears by the table that you can hit the 5 full face just about, if that is the case then I might use a slight cut on the 5 driving it straight across table with high inside sending the CB 2 rails down table and long , hopefully by the bottom corner pocket. The 5 should come across below the 8 and hide hopefully behind the balls on the table.
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Can you diagram that?
 
I just went downstairs to try the shot. I just made the 5 in the side my first three times and missed my fourth. The CB comes two rails naturally for the 6 where it lays.

Personally, for me, I'm playing to get out here. However, I'm very interested in Jude's final play because I don't see an obvious safe that's better than my out %.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I just went downstairs to try the shot. I just made the 5 in the side my first three times and missed my fourth. The CB comes two rails naturally for the 6 where it lays.

Personally, for me, I'm playing to get out here. However, I'm very interested in Jude's final play because I don't see an obvious safe that's better than my out %.
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Wow, you hit that cut shot well. Had this been the last two or three balls on the table, I probably would have been forced to take this shot. I find it mildly uncomfortable simply because I'm shooting in one direction and the pocket is not in my line of vision. What's more, the angle of approach on the side pocket makes the opening a bit smaller (perhaps about 30%?).
 
I would have to shoot the 5 here. Center draw looks like it would put me right in line for the 6.

I'm with spider here. I dont see a safe option thats better.

WWJ(ude)D?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Here's a simple possibility that's often overlooked. The return hit is easy enough, but with no table-turning opportunity.

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If you can stick the 5 to the rail he'll have to kick off the end rail, but it's OK either way.

pj
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This does not look feasible IMO. The cue ball will go much wider than what's indicated. (Trying it right now)
 
selftaut said:
Thats it, thank you black balled,

gotta learn the wei soon.
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That's precisely what I did. I used a lot of left spin to get me around the table and took advantage of the wall of balls near the side-pocket. I was pocketing okay during the match but not great. I wanted to safe here and wondered for a moment if I was going to be forced to shoot. Patrick Johnson's shot is also very very nice simply because it requires little movement and is very easy to execute but I was focused on that wall and getting behind it.
 
Hal said:
This does not look feasible IMO. The cue ball will go much wider than what's indicated. (Trying it right now)
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It might not be but there are other things one can do to achieve a similar result. I see it like this - the point is to send the 5-ball one rail towards the cluster and try to take advantage of the 8-ball. You may need assistance from the side-rail but that isn't terribly hard to do.
 
Neil said:
Hard to tell with the wei table.But maybe you could hit ithe 5 full with maximum right english. That would throw the 5 to the left. If the shot worlks, you freeze the cb to the 8, and the 5 throws to the other side of the eight. Speed is important, because you want to throw the 5 as much as possible.
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I was angled slightly so it would have been difficult to get the 5ball to the left side of the 8 while sticking. I thought about it but figured if I didn't get enough through, I was completely selling out.
 

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This is more accurate than the shot above. It's pretty much a scratch. However I was able to cut this ball into the side pocket four consecutive times. But you also run the risk of scratching.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, you hit that cut shot well. Had this been the last two or three balls on the table, I probably would have been forced to take this shot. I find it mildly uncomfortable simply because I'm shooting in one direction and the pocket is not in my line of vision. What's more, the angle of approach on the side pocket makes the opening a bit smaller (perhaps about 30%?).
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Not to start a war, but just try this and report back--- aim CB center to right OB edge with your tip exactly at the CB left edge. It's the same as the 90/half for RonV. Hip pivot to CB center and pull the trigger.

It's not the pocket opening that makes people miss, imo, it's the perception of the shot (which is what you said above). This procedure overcomes your perception by putting you in line and you just shoot with conviction. You can make the OB at a pretty decent speed - no need to slow roll it.
 
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What about this? Play all CB with draw and right such that you go one rail to hit the 7.

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SpiderWebComm said:
Not to start a war, but just try this and report back--- aim CB center to right OB edge with your tip exactly at the CB left edge. It's the same as the 90/half for RonV. Hip pivot to CB center and pull the trigger.

It's not the pocket opening that makes people miss, imo, it's the perception of the shot (which is what you said above). This procedure overcomes your perception by putting you in line and you just shoot with conviction. You can make the OB at a pretty decent speed - no need to slow roll it.
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You're not starting a war at all. You're absolutely welcome to take the shot, make it and run out. My point was at that moment I didn't feel great about it and was in safety-mode. There have been plenty of times in my life where I've gone on offense when one might argue for defense and gotten away with it.
 
Hal said:

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This is more accurate than the shot above. It's pretty much a scratch. However I was able to cut this ball into the side pocket four consecutive times. But you also run the risk of scratching.

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Hey Hal,

Had I shot it, I definitely would have used some draw to avoid the scratch. You're right to point out the scratch possibility though. In my safety decision, I had to be very conscious of it.
 
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