How Would You Play This? 3/15/10

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.

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Roll up on it and try to leave them perpendicular, close and jammed up on each other.
Too many whiff or double kiss situations come up trying to take a shot.

Otherwise, if you can miss the double kiss, bank it to the diamond nearest the hole its at or even the middle diamond, but obviously, it will be off the rail some, and try to Z it to the middle of the top rail.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.

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I would spin it in too, aiming rail first, right english.

But if that shot is not available, since the ball is not frozen, the standard play is to roll up softly to the 9 straight on and touch it to the rail, like a double kiss. If you freeze the 9 to the rail, the other player is in trouble. Usually you get the same shot back until someone freezes it.

Chris
 
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PROG8R said:
I need to have my eyes checked again. Are you sure that wont bank?

My first instinct would have been your shot, spin it in. but it sure looks like it might bank.
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I am 100% certain you cannot avoid the double-kiss. It's near frozen to the rail and the cueball simply didn't have enough angle to get out of the way in time.
 
I'll try a few things out later this afternoon when I can get to a pool table.

At first glance I would say spin it in or go 3 in the side.
 
If you know banks/kicks, shoot the 3 rail kick to the corner. Its higher percentage than trying to spin it in.
 
Big_H515 said:
If you know banks, shoot the 3-railer. Its higher percentage than trying to spin it in.
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LOL, I actually messed around with the 3-railer afterward. I don't know if I simply don't know how to hit it or if the rails play too short but it wasn't even close.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.

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What's wrong with the one rail kick. Since both balls are about the same distance from the rail it is very easy to find the aiming point on the short rail. Plus, if the 9-ball is a little off the rail, you have an extra chance to make it if you hit the rail first before the nine.
 
Bank it cross side using high right with a nearly full hit. The 9 ball will double kiss back into the rail and bank to the upper side pocket.

Steve
 
It actually can be banked straight back, but it's a trick shot where you load it up with inside, and your not stroking it normal, you are choking up to the front of your wrap, and you are jacking up, almost like a jump shot, and you have to hit it PERFECT, and hope the cue ball doesn't fly off the table.

Odds are against you though.
 
I dunno... maybe I'm being a keyboard player, but I think I cut this in with a high %.

If I don't win from here, I'm pissed.
 
D Player said:
Is the one-rail kick too low percentage to warrant consideration?
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I have very mixed feelings about the 1-rail kickshot. It DOES give you a legitimate shot at winning but I would have to imagine that you will lose more often than not going that way. Personally, I like to avoid long-kicks as much as humanly possible even when I'm only looking for a legal hit. Also, as the shooter, I think you deserve odds that will have a positive outcome more often than not. Although kicking SHOULD be considered and kudos for providing another option to think about, it's prudent to examine the higher percentage options.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Talk to Jude, it's his shot.
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I'm just saying I don't think it's a hard shot if it's basically frozen. BUT, I've been wrong with Cuetable diagrams before (hence, my keyboard-player comment in my first post).

I think for any caliber player, the cut shot is the move here.
 
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