Are you actually getting the 9ball airborn? I'm curious because this is a shot I'll play the long way and it'll typically go in the corner pocket on the fly. I still don't think I had enough room to do this, perhaps I haven't spent enough time with it or perhaps we're using different equipment.
Are you actually getting the 9ball airborn? I'm curious because this is a shot I'll play the long way and it'll typically go in the corner pocket on the fly. I still don't think I had enough room to do this, perhaps I haven't spent enough time with it or perhaps we're using different equipment.
the 9 does not go airborne. perhaps you were actually closer to the corner than in the diagram? im setting up a little closer to the pocket than center between the pocket and the diamond. hit it hard with inside english, maybe a hair low, and you have enough room for it to go.
the 9 does not go airborne. perhaps you were actually closer to the corner than in the diagram? im setting up a little closer to the pocket than center between the pocket and the diamond. hit it hard with inside english, maybe a hair low, and you have enough room for it to go.
The shot will go if you have practiced it a couple of times, of course that is not an option in a game situation, but if you try it now you will be more comfortable when it does come up during a game. It is much easier than you would think.
Jude you did forget my suggestion of banking cross side.
The shot will go if you have practiced it a couple of times, of course that is not an option in a game situation, but if you try it now you will be more comfortable when it does come up during a game. It is much easier than you would think.
That's an interesting idea. Just curious, how do you avoid the scratch in the near corner with this shot? Looks like you'd be flirting with it if you banked cross-side. Can you diagram it?
That's an interesting idea. Just curious, how do you avoid the scratch in the near corner with this shot? Looks like you'd be flirting with it if you banked cross-side. Can you diagram it?
Sorry I don't know how to use the Wei Table to diagram the shot.
You hit the 9 ball nearly full on the right side of center. It is not a cut shot to bank and with high right the CB will double kiss the 9 ball toward the opposite side and CB will kiss back to about the first diamond on the short rail.
That's an interesting idea. Just curious, how do you avoid the scratch in the near corner with this shot? Looks like you'd be flirting with it if you banked cross-side. Can you diagram it?
This is the way I learned the shot by accident years ago. Try and bank the one cross side. Use a little right english on it. The one will double kiss the cb back into the open table and go cross corner. Try it this way, and you will get the principle behind the shot.
This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.
Well before I read any other replies. Here is what I would do. I would bank it right back to my right hand corrner pocket. Using top right and hitting the ball VERY frim. (drill it) Since there is some angle it's not a hard shot to make.
If the object ball is frozen to the rail I would just strike the object ball slightly on the right side from a full hit to use the kiss-back that will take the cue ball to the first diamond on the short rail. Nothing fancy is needed for this.
This will leave the object ball where it is and prevent an easy cross corner bank because of the steep angle you will leave. Maybe someone will diagram this for me on the wei table.
This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.
if you feel bold i like thinning the 9 on the short side (lower left in the picture i guess) or you could just bump the 9 to the other rail and play the simpler safe
I shot through a rack trying to cut the ball. I made 10 and missed 5 and I did this drill cold. I have a gc4 with 4.5" pockets. I can't imagine kicking would be the move with this shot. If someone kicks this in more than 66%, get it on video and I'll get you drunk at the SBE.
I shot through a rack trying to cut the ball. I made 10 and missed 5 and I did this drill cold. I have a gc4 with 4.5" pockets. I can't imagine kicking would be the move with this shot. If someone kicks this in more than 66%, get it on video and I'll get you drunk at the SBE.
Your video showed what I stated earlier. The scratch is huge. You scratched 4 times, and came very close to scratching a number of other times. With the scratch that big in the picture, I am shooting at something else. Nothing makes me sicker than to make a good shot on the 9 and scratch. Especially when I know there is a very good chance of it happening.
I shot through a rack trying to cut the ball. I made 10 and missed 5 and I did this drill cold. I have a gc4 with 4.5" pockets. I can't imagine kicking would be the move with this shot. If someone kicks this in more than 66%, get it on video and I'll get you drunk at the SBE.
I'm not sure if I could cut it or kick it in 66% of the time, but I think I'll kick it in more than I'll cut it in. But thats me. You clearly cut it in pretty good. If I were to guess, I would say I would kick that ball in about 50% of the time. But like Jude said, you only get one try in a game.
I shot through a rack trying to cut the ball. I made 10 and missed 5 and I did this drill cold. I have a gc4 with 4.5" pockets. I can't imagine kicking would be the move with this shot. If someone kicks this in more than 66%, get it on video and I'll get you drunk at the SBE.
On my 9' table with 4 inch corners, the kick is a very low percentage shot. Even if you marked the rail, the cue ball has to be struck dead center perfect.
Once again, equipment has to be considered in these discussions - it's too bad there isn't a standard. It's almost like were speaking different languages.
cross bank that nine right into the upper left corner. Hit the nine just at the left edge with about 3 lbs of right handed duck butter on the cue ball. :grin:
Your video showed what I stated earlier. The scratch is huge. You scratched 4 times, and came very close to scratching a number of other times. With the scratch that big in the picture, I am shooting at something else. Nothing makes me sicker than to make a good shot on the 9 and scratch. Especially when I know ther is a very good chance of it happening.
The scratch is definitely bigger than what I thought. Regardless, I would say my make % is between 66% and 75%. Playing against someone of equal or better, you're probably 50/50 on a safety battle from here. Therefore, you have to go for it on this shot if you can make it more than 50% --- and I think this is a "lock" for 50%+.
This isn't a hard shot to make at all - it's the scratch. For the cheese, I'd load up and smooth it in. Kicking at this ball from here is not easy, imo. If someone has a camera, I'm eager to see someone kick it in more than 50% of the rack.
All in all.... this is a crap position to be in - no doubt. You don't wanna end up here. Playing safe is only the move against a weaker opponent. If I'm at the table playing someone like Neil, there's no way I'm letting him back up. If I scratch, so be it. At least I didn't let him back to the table and at least I'm the winner in the long-run.
