How Would You Play This? 3/15/10

SpiderWebComm said:
I'm just saying I don't think it's a hard shot if it's basically frozen. BUT, I've been wrong with Cuetable diagrams before (hence, my keyboard-player comment in my first post).

I think for any caliber player, the cut shot is the move here.
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I see Jude making a lot of money :D
 
I can't tell from the diagram when you can spin it in with low right. If that doesn't go I would use left english and leave the 9 on the foot rail sending the cue ball up table.

But then, I'm just a banger.
 
I would give this shot some consideration. if you miss would end up with the CB at the head of the table and the 9 at the bottom.

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Punt!!

Kick it in one rail. You must practice these relatively easy kicks. Otherwise
figure out a safety. The problem with that is your opponent will always be
able to make a good hit thus safe you back. Kicking this in now may be the
highest percentage shot you will see to win the game.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
This is an interesting shot that came up for me at league last night. I was struggling but so was my opponent. He missed the 9ball and left me the shot you see below. Now, the 9ball is NEAR frozen (about a hair's width off the rail). Obviously, the 9ball is not bankable in the upper-left corner. In my attempt, I tried to spin the ball in with right english and failed (I guess my concern for the scratch perhaps did me in). Any thoughts on how you would play this? Would you also spin the ball in, throwing caution to the wind? OR, would you do something else? I set it up a few times afterward and came up with some creative solutions.

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On a soft-railed GC i'm cutting it in rail first.On a short-railed table
i like rolling it up.If i'm playing a guy who can't tick with me i will
always roll up.I've won a lot of games where my opponent lost his
nerve and rolled away when he saw i could 'tick' all day.
Straight-rail billiard experience pays off sometimes.
If i was playing for $100 i would pay $20 to my opponent to kick
3 rails or 1 long rail.....well...Reyes could only get $2...
 
SUPERSTAR said:
But it's Jude's shot.
I can't very well bust you and steal what is rightfully Jude's money. LOL
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Wow, I go out for lunch and look at what I come back to! I honestly think it's difficult to properly gauge this shot as a proposition bet since every time you shoot it, your odds will improve. I tried cutting it as well since I've made this shot plenty of times. Upon further examination (and with the help of this thread), I've come to the conclusion that perhaps I didn't properly weigh out my options. In the immortal words of Eminem, you only get one shot.
 
3 balls in a row?

JDXPRS, the fourth ball , the one you missed , was when you tried
to bank this shot cross corner. :wave2: ( Sorry, couldn't resist)
 
I would feel a lot more comfortable with a three rail kick than a one rail kick. Also, depending on who you are playing, just rolling that thing up nice and snug to the 9 would be a way to go. If your opponent is a good kicker, then maybe not. It is pretty close to the "20" return track, with a bit more english a 3 rail is the way I would go, that or the safety.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I have very mixed feelings about the 1-rail kickshot. It DOES give you a legitimate shot at winning but I would have to imagine that you will lose more often than not going that way. Personally, I like to avoid long-kicks as much as humanly possible even when I'm only looking for a legal hit. Also, as the shooter, I think you deserve odds that will have a positive outcome more often than not. Although kicking SHOULD be considered and kudos for providing another option to think about, it's prudent to examine the higher percentage options.
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Jude;

The kick is not easy, its difficult because its on the rail (hair off, same). 1/2 inch off, its easier, much. Not a legit shot when ball is frozen or very close.

I would thin the 9 and send the CB up the table to the end rail. Easy, and puts the odds in your favor. But you do give the chance for the OP to win, but you said he wasn't exactly playing well.

Rolling up on it is also an excellent option. Old school 2 shot shoot out move. Especially if its on the end rail.

Mike
 
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12310bch said:
JDXPRS, the fourth ball , the one you missed , was when you tried
to bank this shot cross corner. :wave2: ( Sorry, couldn't resist)
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funny, but i AM correct in that ball will bank. inside english, about 3/4 of a full stroke.(full being very hard like a break)
 
Okay, I'll try to sum up as many ideas as I've seen and thought of:

Spin the hell out of it.

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Roll-up on it.

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Roll-up on it again.

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Kick it. 1 rail

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Kick it. 3 rails

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Leave distance

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Bank it with inside (avoid kiss)

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Kick Bank

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and the Three Rail Bank Shot

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If I forgot anything, let me know.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I have very mixed feelings about the 1-rail kickshot. It DOES give you a legitimate shot at winning but I would have to imagine that you will lose more often than not going that way. Personally, I like to avoid long-kicks as much as humanly possible even when I'm only looking for a legal hit. Also, as the shooter, I think you deserve odds that will have a positive outcome more often than not. Although kicking SHOULD be considered and kudos for providing another option to think about, it's prudent to examine the higher percentage options.
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Anything you do here requires some guts. I think the 1 rail kick gives you the best odds. To "try" and play safe from here is more dangerous than the kick. You then leave it in their hands to win. Both require some luck, but I think the kick is the best bet. If I come to the table like this, I don't really 'expect' to win. Like stepping in the ring with Tyson, I'll go down swinging.
 
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