How Would You Play This? 7/7/09

I'll post 3 because you asked for 3.

Shots 2 and 3 are similar, and easier to execute - In reality, I'd probably screw all 3 of them up, but what the hell.. I've never missed a shot or a safety on the Cuetable.

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They updated my pc at work yesterday and now I can't see any cuetables. I can't tell you guys how pissed I am. Who on Earth says, "Yeah, you don't really need flash on a computer nowadays"???

Give me an hour to get this fixed. Wow, I can't tell you how much on tilt I am.
 
Neil said:
Depending on just how it is while at the table, this is probably what I would do.

Edit: Got beat to the punch again!

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No offense, Neil, but I don't like this option much. Mainly, I think it's too easy for something to go very wrong, as in hiding the CB well and making the 5 by accident.


Eric >would go with P Johnson's safe
 
Neil said:
I looked at this one, and I really don't think it is possible in this situation. Just a little different set up, and it works great. But, I think the way it is drawn you will be looking at a double kiss.
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I think the amount of left english (and soft speed) needed to tuck the CB behind the 5 would be more than enough to send the 1 clear of the CB.
 
Blackjack said:
I'll post 3 because you asked for 3.

Shots 2 and 3 are similar, and easier to execute - In reality, I'd probably screw all 3 of them up, but what the hell.. I've never missed a shot or a safety on the Cuetable.

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I was very happy to see that my two choices were very similar to such a fine player as yourself. I think I am finally starting to catch on.

BVal
 
Neil said:
You are right that it is very possible to make the 5 by accident. That is why, on shots such as this, you don't just control the cb. You also have to make sure you hit the 1 accurately to ensure that you don't make the 5. You also want to hit the 5 so that it will come back up towards the middle of the table, and NOT hit the 6.
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OK, but don't you think that controlling the CB and controlling where the 1 ball goes and making sure the 5 ball doesn't get pocketed is over complicating a shot?


Eric
 
BVal said:
This is what I would do/try.

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I gotta say, this seems like the easiest to pull off and as a result, the safest bet. I've read about 2 pages worth of other ideas all of which leave WAY too much to chance.

When playing safe, I find the best bet is to weigh the options, find the best one thats easiest to pull off. This is it.
 
Neil said:
Depending on just how it is while at the table, this is probably what I would do.

Edit: Got beat to the punch again!

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I don't know. Maybe its just me. But this doesn't even seem like something that I would consider for even a minute. I mean, hitting the 1 into the 5 leaves way too much to chance.

1) In order to get the cueball to go across table and into the rail from that angle, you're going to need to give this a bit of a stroke. Your 5 ball will end up a good 2-3 feet further than you show it here.
2) The angle could be off just a bit and you make the 5.
3) The angle could be off just a bit and you send the 5 two rails into the 6. And even if you move the 6 just a hair, the shot is no longer safe.
4) Hitting the ball at this speed also means that your cueball my travel some, even if just an inch or so. And well, why would you want to risk that?
5) You would have to hit the ball so perfect to make this shot 'safe' by freezing it on or even getting it close to the 7. Otherwise, the shot isn't very safe. A jump cue makes the hit. A kick makes the hit. Depending on who you're playing, you might not want them getting to the table with this.
 
Neil said:
Something along these lines is a possibility.

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Not sure that anything like that is possible, Neil. Once the CB comes off of the rail, it's not going to have any means of coming off of the 1 ball in the opposite direction to hit the 5 ball. The most you could hope for is planting the 1 ball behind the 7 ball, and I think that with the angle needed to do so, you would end up leaving the CB out in the open for the easy kick.
 
mia said:

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I gotta say, this seems like the easiest to pull off and as a result, the safest bet. I've read about 2 pages worth of other ideas all of which leave WAY too much to chance.

When playing safe, I find the best bet is to weigh the options, find the best one thats easiest to pull off. This is it.
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I definitely wouldn't try this one. You have to stop the cueball exactly on the 5 ball or completely hide the 1 behind the 6 for it to be safe. Else you leave a really easy safe back that loses you the game.
 
:eek:...I'm actually shocked at some of these safety attempts.

Pocketing the combination shot is maybe 50/50 for most players, so in order to justify playing safe, the defensive option requires a higher percentage for success. Almost all of the shots that were suggested in this thread involve hitting the cue-ball or object-ball *far* too hard. By doing this, the probability of something going wrong is drastically increased to the point where you might as well have just played the offensive option to begin with.

The key to a good safety is simplicity. In almost all cases, this includes a soft stroke.

There are however two very soft and simple options that we're suggested by BVal and frankncali on page one of this thread. Either of these options suggests a positive outcome. :thumbup:
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
They updated my pc at work yesterday and now I can't see any cuetables. I can't tell you guys how pissed I am. Who on Earth says, "Yeah, you don't really need flash on a computer nowadays"???

Give me an hour to get this fixed. Wow, I can't tell you how much on tilt I am.
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Wow guys, I'm really sorry I haven't responded yet. I still can't see any of the diagrams. FML.
 
nathandumoulin said:
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The key to a good safety is simplicity.
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I agree, but I would also add that the key to a good safety is knowing your opponent's weakness. When you know their weaknesses, then you can exploit them. It is then best to exploit it in the simplest way possible.
 
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