How Would You Play This? Part II
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I guess you guys would all bust me then.....I'm not giving up control of this table with a safe that could turn into a many inning battle...there is a simple offensive shot there that gets me out and I'm taking it every single time....Like I said "I guess you guys would all bust me".....hehehe...
Drew said:
Hard to disagree with that. For sure, the best place to leave your opponent is in his chair.
I just noticed a two-way shot, however, for those with itchy trigger fingers. It's defiitely not free, but I wouldn't consider it to be extremely risky, either. In a ring game, I'd fire at this one every time.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AYsm2BMWg4...UayB2UJUh2VMWg2VTIk2dWCk2dchj3kJsU3kWww3kKKR@
Jude i would have to disagree
Things to consider. How good you play, and is the shot one that you have in your arsenal and how good do you play safe.
If you lock them up behind the great wall of china, most experienced players are not going to try and get lucky by trying to hit the 1 and hope to get a roll.
Unless you freeze them to a ball, or they are extremely wet behind the ears, most people, seeing as the 3 is no prize, are going to knock the 9 out of the way if they can, or if they can't, the 2. They would still have a reasonable chance to return to the table because the runout isn't naturally there.
I am assuming that the 1 ball would be uptable and that being the case, should you knock the 9 away, someone cannot fire in the 1 and break up the 3-4 and still guarantee their shape on the 2. and i highly doubt they are gonna try and break up the 3-4 from the 2's position unless they are high or unless it is do or die.
If the 2 is moved, the runout is still a coin toss unless they happen to move it right by the tied up balls.
Seeing how the 9 is making the pocket huge, and it's not a super severe angle, plus knowing that i can make the shot a high % of the time, i would opt for cutting the 9 down the rail and getting 4 rail shape on the 2.
If i hit it good, the win is automatic.
If i hit it poorly, the pocket is still huge enough that i will still make the ball with sideboards, and have a shot on the 2 and then i can rethink my options at that time.
The difference being, If you play a safe from your position, and play it poorly, or leave them a window, you run the risk of selling out a shot with the 2-9 still hanging there for the easy win.
After a shot on the 1 that hits the 9 away, you will be playing a safety on either the 2 or 3 without an easy combo there to haunt you should you hit it so bad as to sell out a shot
For people that play very well, but don't play high end pool, they should STILL go for the shot.
The margin for error is huge, and if they happen to hit it so bad that it hits the outside of the 9, it still knocks it away, and whoever is at the table still has to deal with the 3-4 unless they are extremely unlucky and the 1 double kisses the 9, and the 9 stays exactly where it is, with the 1 hanging in front of a hole with easy shape on the 2.
If they can't even hit the outside of the 1, they might even still hit the 2 for all we know, and still have some outs unless the 1 replaces the 2 and makes it easier, but they would be extremely unfortunate if that were to happen. Odds are totally against it.
For people that play high end pool, I see a lot of good things happening from going for it.
Sure i see the bad as i mentioned, but i feel that the good/lucky FAR outweigh the bad/unlucky possibilities of this scenario when shooting it down the rail.
Plus, if you happen to connect on this shot, and make it clean, your opponent is going to want to hang themselves.
It would do a lot psychologically for yourself, and against your opponent if you rifled it in.
I am a firm believe in something i heard on an accustats tape a long time ago. That in the game of 9 ball, while you might be able to safe your way to some wins every now and then, your gonna have better success if you shoot your way to them.
JMO
...for those guys that want to bank the 1 into the 7...
Things to consider. How good you play, and is the shot one that you have in your arsenal and how good do you play safe.
If you lock them up behind the great wall of china, most experienced players are not going to try and get lucky by trying to hit the 1 and hope to get a roll.
Unless you freeze them to a ball, or they are extremely wet behind the ears, most people, seeing as the 3 is no prize, are going to knock the 9 out of the way if they can, or if they can't, the 2. They would still have a reasonable chance to return to the table because the runout isn't naturally there.
I am assuming that the 1 ball would be uptable and that being the case, should you knock the 9 away, someone cannot fire in the 1 and break up the 3-4 and still guarantee their shape on the 2. and i highly doubt they are gonna try and break up the 3-4 from the 2's position unless they are high or unless it is do or die.
If the 2 is moved, the runout is still a coin toss unless they happen to move it right by the tied up balls.
Seeing how the 9 is making the pocket huge, and it's not a super severe angle, plus knowing that i can make the shot a high % of the time, i would opt for cutting the 9 down the rail and getting 4 rail shape on the 2.
If i hit it good, the win is automatic.
If i hit it poorly, the pocket is still huge enough that i will still make the ball with sideboards, and have a shot on the 2 and then i can rethink my options at that time.
The difference being, If you play a safe from your position, and play it poorly, or leave them a window, you run the risk of selling out a shot with the 2-9 still hanging there for the easy win.
After a shot on the 1 that hits the 9 away, you will be playing a safety on either the 2 or 3 without an easy combo there to haunt you should you hit it so bad as to sell out a shot
For people that play very well, but don't play high end pool, they should STILL go for the shot.
The margin for error is huge, and if they happen to hit it so bad that it hits the outside of the 9, it still knocks it away, and whoever is at the table still has to deal with the 3-4 unless they are extremely unlucky and the 1 double kisses the 9, and the 9 stays exactly where it is, with the 1 hanging in front of a hole with easy shape on the 2.
If they can't even hit the outside of the 1, they might even still hit the 2 for all we know, and still have some outs unless the 1 replaces the 2 and makes it easier, but they would be extremely unfortunate if that were to happen. Odds are totally against it.
For people that play high end pool, I see a lot of good things happening from going for it.
Sure i see the bad as i mentioned, but i feel that the good/lucky FAR outweigh the bad/unlucky possibilities of this scenario when shooting it down the rail.
Plus, if you happen to connect on this shot, and make it clean, your opponent is going to want to hang themselves.
It would do a lot psychologically for yourself, and against your opponent if you rifled it in.
I am a firm believe in something i heard on an accustats tape a long time ago. That in the game of 9 ball, while you might be able to safe your way to some wins every now and then, your gonna have better success if you shoot your way to them.
JMO
...for those guys that want to bank the 1 into the 7...
steev said:
Yeah, but you still risk chance position on the 1.
in my scenario, i use a tons of english, so scratching in the corner doesn't even pop into my mind and i know i hit that shot very well, and where whitey is going.
Second thing i thought of was the bank, but the future position isn't guaranteed.
If you make it and get shape, there is a lot of luck.
It might freeze on the rail at a hard angle, or it might hook behind the 6, or if you crush it, it might go up or downtable with it's course undetermined prior to the shot with many possible hooks that can happen, especially if you just stick the cue ball.
To many variables. Not from making the 7 as that is easy enough, but knowing where the 1 is gonna go, and how good you control whitey and the 1 at the same time.
Too many possible outcomes, and that's not something you really want in 9 ball.
Sure your gonna have the times when the 1 hangs perfect for you and the out is a hanger, but I've seen lots of goofy things happen from this position.
To control an object ball after a combo is hard enough, but to have to do it after a bank and control the cue ball and object ball? After a bank?
your asking to get lucky IMO
In my scenario, i'm trying to win, while most luck is in FAVOR of not selling out a combo should i fail. Much easier to control if you ask me.
To me that would be the % play.
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That far off the rail, run the one down the rail into the corner, using high right....cue ball should be easily past the six.....if I can get an easy, limited angle on the 2, shoot the 2-9 combo....a little sharper angle, shoot the carom.....too much roll and on the other side of the nine....might get cute, and draw off the 2 to make the 9, or just roll in the two and get shape for the three....
I think I would bank the one two rails to the far end rail and hide the CB behind the 5/8.
If my opponent fouls and is successful in taking the 2/9 combo out of play and gives me BIH, I would try to make the 1, make the 2, come downtable to shoot safe again on the 3. Then he either has to break it out or be on two fouls.
If my opponent fouls and is successful in taking the 2/9 combo out of play and gives me BIH, I would try to make the 1, make the 2, come downtable to shoot safe again on the 3. Then he either has to break it out or be on two fouls.
I would play low right on the CB, leaving the CB on the rail behind 8 and 5, and the 1 ball near the second second diamond on the bottom rail.
Cutting the nine in the corner where the 9 ball is, is insane.Even more if it`s not frozen to the rail.If it is, maybe top right, rail first.But certanly not in a important match.
Cutting the nine in the corner where the 9 ball is, is insane.Even more if it`s not frozen to the rail.If it is, maybe top right, rail first.But certanly not in a important match.
I think this position calls for offense. I think the right shot is to bank the one into the seven, but I do not agree with those that feel it should be hit at pocket speed. I'll give myself the extra chance that if the one catches the outside of the seven, it will drift toward the top corner where I can still pocket it comfortably and win this rack. At pocket speed, if I catch the outside of the seven, I leave it supertough, and lose my advantage, so I'll hit it harder than that.
If I chose defense here, I'd focus on leaving the one somewhere where it would offer a breakout of the three and four. If I accomplished this, I would not expect my opponent to break up the 2 - 9 combo or carom, as they'd be giving me a pretty good runout chance. As i said, however, I think offense is best here, but it's a pretty close choice.
If I chose defense here, I'd focus on leaving the one somewhere where it would offer a breakout of the three and four. If I accomplished this, I would not expect my opponent to break up the 2 - 9 combo or carom, as they'd be giving me a pretty good runout chance. As i said, however, I think offense is best here, but it's a pretty close choice.
SUPERSTAR said:
I haven't seen anyone make the (IMO
) correct call yet: cross the 1 with proper speed to leave it under the 5/8 and bring CB to top rail, maybe stuck to side of 2 or 9, but definitely on the rag.
Aaron_S said:
I hope you would have at least 1 eye closed.
That shot is not an option outside of WEI-World: the 6 is in the way as you cannot go so deep into the 2nd rail.
Black-Balled said:I haven't seen anyone make the (IMO
Impossible, in my view. I can't get the one under the five and eight with a soft stroke -- I'll need some pace. Even if it were available, I don't like this choice, for if I get the speed wrong or run the one into the five, I can sell out the rack. Also, a ball passes between the five and eight, so executing this shot may not even produce a good result.
wayne said:
I have seen you play and the tables you play on...You tellen me you are going to cut this in at Hollywood?....
I am saying with your CB control you are gonna stick the cb on the 5 and leave the 1 on the side rail somewhere...
From my perspective making that shot in Hollywood is about 1 in 4....I have a better chance of freezing the ball on the 5 and about a 95% chance of leaving no shot on the 1......and if I happen to freeze the CB in the right spot, it has a chance to even make breaking up the 2-9 difficult.
I think this shot may really depend on who I am playing.....If I am playing Efren....I may take a flyer at the 1 ball....If I feel my opponent does not have the kicking abilities near Efren's...I am probably going to freeze behind the 5.....and while I am sitting in my chair I am going to be thinking of how I am going to deal with the 3 ball
BTW....If I do take a flyer at the 1.....with my luck, I clip the 5 and either scratch in the corner pocket or the side pocket.....of course that would be when I make the 1
I think a lot of it has to depend on who you're playing. I like hiding behind the 5-8 only if I'm playing someone that doesn't have a strong jump shot in their arsenal. If he/she does, I really have to consider cutting the one in. I figure it like this: the 2-9 can be made from just about anywhere either as the combination or the billiard, and I've to hit the 5 mighty thin in order to scratch in the corner. Therefore, the whole game depends on whether I can make the one, and I think I've certainly got a better than even chance!