Old Nine Baller
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takeitdown,
The goal is to win every game you play and to do everything you can to win every game you play, regardless of the set score.
The set score should not alter your shot choice.
ONB
How Would You Run These Balls?
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takeitdown,
The goal is to win every game you play and to do everything you can to win every game you play, regardless of the set score.
The set score should not alter your shot choice.
ONB
Easily
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Exactly, that bank is way easier than any safe
You just broke and made two balls on the break. How would you run out, or would you run out?
P.S. I'm getting better with the numbering thing.
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RUN out for sure. bank 1 cross corner sticking cue ball there with a slight angle , shoot 2 right were its at come off the rail towards the center of table,shoot 3 ball bottom corner , float off rail and shoot 4 in pocket where you shot the 2 ball, roll over and shoot 6 in same corner. come off rail giving an angle to shoot 8 in corner , then one rail over and shoot 9 in same corner. Easy run out play safe is no good . (note) why play safe to get a shot? you already have a shot. Banking the 1 ball is the only hard shot in the rack , make it you win.
Yup, I'm glad you made that point. And yet that mentality is so common in all sports.
takeitdown
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One of the biggest fallacies in pool. Only thing more off base is playing the table not the opponent.
In every other sport where score is kept the score matters. If my opponent needs one game and I need 4 I am playing a whole different set of strategies than if it's the opposite.
If I have an okay safe or a 50 50 shot that leads to a good runout I'm shooting if you need a game. I'm not losing on a mediocre safe. Again in my game it's offense that wins.
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You know, when this thread runs its course, tally up the "dead bank" people and the guys saying play safe.
Compare that ratio to the ratio of any given pool room's Open/A+, A's to the rest of the pack.
I think you'll find a suspiciously strong correlation.
Old Nine Baller
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In many sports it is the right thing to consider the total score. A bowler needing 3 pins to win a match would be a fool to try to strike the frame. A golfer needing to par a hole to win would be an idiot to attempt to birdie the hole. There are times and sports where considering the total score is the right thing to do. Pool is not that sport.
ONB
Old Nine Baller
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We've seen what a straight shooting, offensive minded young CJ shot.
WWYD? means what would 'I' do. As stated I bank it but plan on being short. I stiffen it with inside, and hit it with the speed to go the second time. To me, I can make a full swing effort at the bank at a controllable speed. Bank and stick.
I looked at the roll up onto the 2, ticky behind the 6. To me that
is too speed and accuracy dependent for a lock up result. If I hit the 6 first, I don't hide the cueball, if I hit the 2 too full, maybe I make the 2 and am hidden behind the 6. I just dont like slow rolling that distance to make the hit, and then have to be that accurate to come out good.
That's just me.
....full shot vs slow roll...was the difference to me/I'm old..I get the yips
..shoot to your strength and tendencies
WWYD? means what would 'I' do. As stated I bank it but plan on being short. I stiffen it with inside, and hit it with the speed to go the second time. To me, I can make a full swing effort at the bank at a controllable speed. Bank and stick.
I looked at the roll up onto the 2, ticky behind the 6. To me that
is too speed and accuracy dependent for a lock up result. If I hit the 6 first, I don't hide the cueball, if I hit the 2 too full, maybe I make the 2 and am hidden behind the 6. I just dont like slow rolling that distance to make the hit, and then have to be that accurate to come out good.
That's just me.
....full shot vs slow roll...was the difference to me/I'm old..I get the yips
..shoot to your strength and tendencies
I think...
I think you'll find a much stronger correlation between feel players and deliberate players Buddha...and or a stronger correlation between degenerate gamblers and percentage players. There are plenty of both of those from the top to the bottom of skill level...
Jaden
I think you'll find a much stronger correlation between feel players and deliberate players Buddha...and or a stronger correlation between degenerate gamblers and percentage players. There are plenty of both of those from the top to the bottom of skill level...
Jaden
it's greatly going to depend on the player...
We all saw, well those of us watching saw, what happened to Earl trying to play safe instead of just firing everything in. He was making the right choices, just not for his type of play.
Him and Shane almost lost because of it; however, if he would've attempted to fire things in and missed, then they would've lost for sure.
He made the right percentage decision and came up short, but they ended up pulling it off anyways.
I learned the hard way playing with Shawn Putnam that what's safe against one person, is a runout against someone else.
The only reason I said the safe in this case is because there is SUCH a high likelihood of leaving it super tough, if there was a jump shot or an easy kick from the position of the safe I would say go for the bank. Any time a safe is as tough as the shot, you go for the shot IMO. In this case the safe is MUCH higher percentage IMO.
Jaden
We all saw, well those of us watching saw, what happened to Earl trying to play safe instead of just firing everything in. He was making the right choices, just not for his type of play.
Him and Shane almost lost because of it; however, if he would've attempted to fire things in and missed, then they would've lost for sure.
He made the right percentage decision and came up short, but they ended up pulling it off anyways.
I learned the hard way playing with Shawn Putnam that what's safe against one person, is a runout against someone else.
The only reason I said the safe in this case is because there is SUCH a high likelihood of leaving it super tough, if there was a jump shot or an easy kick from the position of the safe I would say go for the bank. Any time a safe is as tough as the shot, you go for the shot IMO. In this case the safe is MUCH higher percentage IMO.
Jaden
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Jaden needs to practice his banks. That is all I got out of your post.
these type shots MUST be aggressively attempted (with a safety factor included)
When faced with a tough shot or safe opportunity sometimes it's prudent to play both. Even on this {somewhat} simple bank shot I would be looking at what would happen if I miss it short.....or long. Which one gives me the best chance to "get safe" if missed?
Once you see which side of the pocket is best to favor you let this information influence your shot speed.
In the example of the shot in Reno I would play the bank "long" with speed to get the object ball back to the other end rail OR play the bank "short" and use the other balls to increase my chances of getting "safe" if the shot it missed.
"Two way shots," in my opinion, take the most skill, creativity, and strategy to implement consistently. This is one of the main reasons I don't like "one foul" as much as "two foul" 9-ball. When playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" these type shots MUST be aggressively attempted (with a safety factor included).....or it's {virtually} impossible to win against an accomplished player.
When faced with a tough shot or safe opportunity sometimes it's prudent to play both. Even on this {somewhat} simple bank shot I would be looking at what would happen if I miss it short.....or long. Which one gives me the best chance to "get safe" if missed?
Once you see which side of the pocket is best to favor you let this information influence your shot speed.
In the example of the shot in Reno I would play the bank "long" with speed to get the object ball back to the other end rail OR play the bank "short" and use the other balls to increase my chances of getting "safe" if the shot it missed.
"Two way shots," in my opinion, take the most skill, creativity, and strategy to implement consistently. This is one of the main reasons I don't like "one foul" as much as "two foul" 9-ball. When playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" these type shots MUST be aggressively attempted (with a safety factor included).....or it's {virtually} impossible to win against an accomplished player.