How Would You Run These?
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Seems like the big question of this is how would you play the 7 to the 8.
I see nothing wrong with both playing left with 2 rails and the draw shot, just a matter of preference. I admit the shot with left spin is something I need to work on as I would often leave myself on the rail with that
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I see nothing wrong with both playing left with 2 rails and the draw shot, just a matter of preference. I admit the shot with left spin is something I need to work on as I would often leave myself on the rail with that
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1st choice. low, outside. Go between rail and 9.
2nd choice. High, inside.
2nd choice. High, inside.
Remember on a 10-footer, you're 4 feet away from this 7 ball. You can't draw your ball and hit it softly. If you want to make sure the CB doesn't "turn over" on the way to the 7 (which could get you in trouble), you have to hit this a little firm.
Once you're hitting it a little firm, you have to be very careful exactly how thin you cut the ball. With the 7 that close to the pocket, there's a big difference in cut angle between hitting into the thin side vs. the thick side, and a big difference in cut angle on a firmly hit shot means a big difference in CB travel.
Which is why I like using a little draw and lots of right and soft speed, letting the draw wear off before contact. The right english will make sure the CB doesn't hit the 9, and the speed will be nice and predictable.
-Andrew
Once you're hitting it a little firm, you have to be very careful exactly how thin you cut the ball. With the 7 that close to the pocket, there's a big difference in cut angle between hitting into the thin side vs. the thick side, and a big difference in cut angle on a firmly hit shot means a big difference in CB travel.
Which is why I like using a little draw and lots of right and soft speed, letting the draw wear off before contact. The right english will make sure the CB doesn't hit the 9, and the speed will be nice and predictable.
-Andrew
This one is way too easy for all of us "C" players here....
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while you can play this many ways, there is a best way...
You can play this layout with a high percentage many different ways, you can play a softer shot with low right and spin out to center table.
That's not the best shot because you are coming across the shot line and this makes speed control much more pivotal, even though you still have a good chance of being alright. If you come up short you may have trouble playing it in the side and if you go long, you make shape on the nine more difficult.
You can play it with inside low, which will change the draw angle and kill it off the rail. This allows you to hit it more firm and changes the angle of the CB coming off the rail which has you moving closer to the same line as the shot line moving away from the eight, which makes speed control less of an issue. It does, however, give you a chance of scratching in the other side if you hit it too hard.
The best way to play it is with inside follow coming three rails to center table.
This way you are coming into the shot on the path of the desired shot line on the eight, so speed control is not much of an issue. You are also not going toward a pocket that you can scratch in if you over hit it, you would be traveling toward a pocket that has a ball in front of it, lessening the chance of a scratch if you over hit it.
Again, any of these choices will be high percentage for the average person who is favored to run out here, but there are higher percentage choices and the highest percentage choice is inside follow...
Jaden
You can play this layout with a high percentage many different ways, you can play a softer shot with low right and spin out to center table.
That's not the best shot because you are coming across the shot line and this makes speed control much more pivotal, even though you still have a good chance of being alright. If you come up short you may have trouble playing it in the side and if you go long, you make shape on the nine more difficult.
You can play it with inside low, which will change the draw angle and kill it off the rail. This allows you to hit it more firm and changes the angle of the CB coming off the rail which has you moving closer to the same line as the shot line moving away from the eight, which makes speed control less of an issue. It does, however, give you a chance of scratching in the other side if you hit it too hard.
The best way to play it is with inside follow coming three rails to center table.
This way you are coming into the shot on the path of the desired shot line on the eight, so speed control is not much of an issue. You are also not going toward a pocket that you can scratch in if you over hit it, you would be traveling toward a pocket that has a ball in front of it, lessening the chance of a scratch if you over hit it.
Again, any of these choices will be high percentage for the average person who is favored to run out here, but there are higher percentage choices and the highest percentage choice is inside follow...
Jaden
Perfect !!!!
I feel like a stun shot gets me in a good spot, either missing the 9 or hitting it depending on whether the CB starts to roll before contacting the 7. Later in the match after a few games are played and I have the feel of things dialed in, I can agree that the 3 rail shot plays more naturally to the 8, but I can walk up to any table and know that, for a quality set of matched balls, a stun shot will follow the tangent line. With the 8 ball laying where it is, and shape for the 9 automatic for such a large area of potential leaves on the 8, I would rather go with the sure thing if I'm not sure how the cloth is playing (and the effects it'll have on off-center hits).
Of course, I'm terrible at pool... so there's that.
Of course, I'm terrible at pool... so there's that.
Everyone is proposing fairly complicated run outs. If you hit a hard forcing stop shot on the 7 it will swing around the 9. I would try and shoot the 8 in the close side but if you don't get all the way there you can still shoot the 8 in the upper corner and still be in good position on the 9 to swing around to the 10. Just first instinct though unless I'm seeing something wrong haha.
This one is way too easy for all of us "C" players here....
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lmao i'd have to agree
It's not about the fact that it's easy...
It's about the thought behind it. This determines strategies for when it's NOT so simple.
If people don't understand about traveling across the line of the next shot versus along the line and going along the line toward the shot, versus going away from it, then they'll choose at random without thinking it through. When they over shoot position when it does require more accuracy, they are going to be kicking themselves and NEVER improve.
How you elect to shoot this shot goes to what your runout strategies are and if you select certain patterns, those choices become habit and then when you screw up, you don't know what to do to fix it or you chock it up to a bad roll.
You can minimize bad rolls by making the correct shot selections based on proper runout strategies.
Jaden
It's about the thought behind it. This determines strategies for when it's NOT so simple.
If people don't understand about traveling across the line of the next shot versus along the line and going along the line toward the shot, versus going away from it, then they'll choose at random without thinking it through. When they over shoot position when it does require more accuracy, they are going to be kicking themselves and NEVER improve.
How you elect to shoot this shot goes to what your runout strategies are and if you select certain patterns, those choices become habit and then when you screw up, you don't know what to do to fix it or you chock it up to a bad roll.
You can minimize bad rolls by making the correct shot selections based on proper runout strategies.
Jaden
There are some positional shots that are simpler, easier, and more repeatable by coming across the line rather than along it.
Coming in along the line gives you a bigger positional target, but it means going a different route; sometimes that different route is much harder to successfully execute than the "across-the-line" version of the shot.
For me, this is a time for simple (1 rail). Move the 8 to a less trivially-easy location, and I might think differently.
-Andrew
I said in this instance...
You're absolutely right. I said in this instance that coming at the ball along the shot line was better.
What I also said, is that people need to understand the differences and weigh the goods and bads for each circumstance.
If you don't understand what you have available and why it would be better or worse, then you won't make the best decisions.
In this instance, the highest percentage choice is the three rail shape.
Jaden
You're absolutely right. I said in this instance that coming at the ball along the shot line was better.
What I also said, is that people need to understand the differences and weigh the goods and bads for each circumstance.
If you don't understand what you have available and why it would be better or worse, then you won't make the best decisions.
In this instance, the highest percentage choice is the three rail shape.
Jaden
JC
Coos Cues
Three rails forward is a much more advanced shot than drawing behind the 9. It takes a better stroke and a lot more practice and confidence. The best shot selection in every case is the one that you can execute reliably with your current skill set . There is no "right shot" or "wrong shot" in many cases because of this. This is one of those cases which is why there are so many "answers". For that matter a person could also easily shoot a medium natural rolling shot and come out underneath the nine for acceptable shape given where the 8 ball is sitting.
JC
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It looks different when you set the shot up.
It looks different when you set the shot up.
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If you aren't capable of spinning the cue ball enough to stay out of a scratch, what the hell you doing trying to play big boy pool?
The Lion just walked into our room........I showed him the layout.
He says three rails with inside english.....ALL day.
This would be my route. On a smaller table where reach wouldn't be a factor id use low right