Hunter v Frost, your stance?

u12armresl

u12armresl

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Social media blew up last night over the US Open match between Hunter and Scott Frost.
Tie match 8-8 going to 9 Scott shoots a great bank to get shape on one of his last 3 balls.

Stops to tuck in his shirt, gets over the ball and Hunter calls a foul for Scott's shirt touching a ball, which results in BIH and Hunter winning.
So many people are claiming Scott a national hero for shaking his hand after the match and that a shirt touching a ball without a ref or without moving the ball should not be a foul.

This seems like one of those polls that APA players put up where it says "my opponent did this, and I called a foul, was I wrong?"
And half the people say it is in the rules you are allowed to call it, the other half say, no way I'd do that.

So what do you say?
 
u12armresl said:
Social media blew up last night over the US Open match between Hunter and Scott Frost.
Tie match 8-8 going to 9 Scott shoots a great bank to get shape on one of his last 3 balls.

Stops to tuck in his shirt, gets over the ball and Hunter calls a foul for Scott's shirt touching a ball, which results in BIH and Hunter winning.
So many people are claiming Scott a national hero for shaking his hand after the match and that a shirt touching a ball without a ref or without moving the ball should not be a foul.

This seems like one of those polls that APA players put up where it says "my opponent did this, and I called a foul, was I wrong?"
And half the people say it is in the rules you are allowed to call it, the other half say, no way I'd do that.

So what do you say?
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I posted about this in the main thread. Scott Frost is in general, a very bad loser, and my thoughts are that he quite possibly would play dumb on a foul like this, if he was playing a relative "nobody", and thought he could get away with it. A part of his game folks only watching streamed matches don't necessarily get to see. I was leading him 5-0, 6-0 first two games a few years back in the DCC One Pocket, and he was so incredibly obnoxious, huffing and puffing, making sounds and grumbling where I could hear it, as I was attempting to run out.

I shortstroked the two critical shots in those games, and he executed some spectacular shots to git er dun after I missed, so it's not Scott's fault I lost, but the fact remains that he DOES NOT like it when a nonelite player plays well on him, and he most definitely is not above a slight bit of "unsportsmanlike conduct" in the heat of the moment.
 
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I would say you are in a large professional tournament, and as such you follow the rules. Any other time I could care less. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone pulled some BS rule on me in a match, esp. APA!
 
Is there a video link?

In general though, calling a foul like that might give too much power to the opponent. Can you imagine if every opponent called foul every shot just sitting from their chair? It's possible if the rules make the opponent the ref.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Is there a video link?

In general though, calling a foul like that might give too much power to the opponent. Can you imagine if every opponent called foul every shot just sitting from their chair? It's possible if the rules make the opponent the ref.
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Possibly. But I also think that if Scott was playing an elite player on a non-streamed match, and the elite player called the foul, he doesn't fight the call, because he knows fans are gonna trust the elite pro. I can very much see Scott fighting a correct call against a player he "feels he should not lose to".

It's a crappy situation, but I know Hunter, and if he says Scott fouled, he fouled. And Scott should have admitted it. He tucked in his shirt before the shot, so he definitely knew a foul was possible.
 
My understanding is that it is not a foul if you touch the ball and give the player the option to leave it or move it back!

Additionally, the ref is obligated to position himself in a place to make the call. The fact that the player was seated behind the shooter and had no way to make the call and never escalated it to a designated ref!

Given, the money difference between winner and loser of that match! FROZEN was robbed ....


Kd

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u12armresl said:
Social media blew up last night over the US Open match between Hunter and Scott Frost.
Tie match 8-8 going to 9 Scott shoots a great bank to get shape on one of his last 3 balls.

Stops to tuck in his shirt, gets over the ball and Hunter calls a foul for Scott's shirt touching a ball, which results in BIH and Hunter winning.
So many people are claiming Scott a national hero for shaking his hand after the match and that a shirt touching a ball without a ref or without moving the ball should not be a foul.

This seems like one of those polls that APA players put up where it says "my opponent did this, and I called a foul, was I wrong?"
And half the people say it is in the rules you are allowed to call it, the other half say, no way I'd do that.

So what do you say?
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Nitty move to call that foul on your opponent, even and especially when it decided the match. On the other hand, in that situation, Frost really should have been extra careful to make sure his shirt wouldn’t touch a ball.
 
The information I would need is how many times is this NOT called. Are there 50 other racks per tournament where a shirt lightly touches a ball that go uncalled? In other words, what are most players’ relationship with the all ball foul rule?

I’m technically breaking the law if I drive 51MPH in a 50MPH zone, but I would be irate if I actually got a ticket for that. Our relationship with the rule “must drive below speed limit” is that extremely minor violations of that rule are ok.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
My understanding is that it is not a foul if you touch the ball and give the player the option to leave it or move it back!

Additionally, the ref is obligated to position himself in a place to make the call. The fact that the player was seated behind the shooter and had no way to make the call and never escalated it to a designated ref!

Given, the money difference between winner and loser of that match! FROZEN was robbed ....


Kd

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If playing all ball fouls, there is no option to move a ball back. If you touch any ball, it is a foul
 
ChrisinNC said:
Nitty move to call that foul on your opponent, even and especially when it decided the match. On the other hand, in that situation, Frost really should have been extra careful to make sure his shirt wouldn’t touch a ball.
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So if (and I am not sure that is the case here, but play along) Hunter saw the foul and called it, it would be nitty?
 
Justaneng said:
The information I would need is how many times is this NOT called. Are there 50 other racks per tournament where a shirt lightly touches a ball that go uncalled? In other words, what are most players’ relationship with the all ball foul rule?

I’m technically breaking the law if I drive 51MPH in a 50MPH zone, but I would be irate if I actually got a ticket for that. Our relationship with the rule “must drive below speed limit” is that extremely minor violations of that rule are ok.
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In Europe? They play all ball fouls in pretty much every higher level league match, and in a lot, if not most, tournaments they play. And they tend to call these fouls on themselves. American players are spoiled, because you have so many players that will refuse to call a foul on themselves, that a lot of American tournament directors changed to cue ball foul only, to stop arguments.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Possibly. But I also think that if Scott was playing an elite player on a non-streamed match, and the elite player called the foul, he doesn't fight the call, because he knows fans are gonna trust the elite pro. I can very much see Scott fighting a correct call against a player he "feels he should not lose to".

It's a crappy situation, but I know Hunter, and if he says Scott fouled, he fouled. And Scott should have admitted it. He tucked in his shirt before the shot, so he definitely knew a foul was possible.
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u12armresl said:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=633945775526912
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i have seen the ugly side of scott in several matches
but in this case he handled himself very well
interesting it was hunter who would barely make eye contact on the hand shake at the end.
personally even if its the rule it was very nitty to call it
its like getting a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit
 
bbb said:
i have seen the ugly side of scott in several matches
but in this case he handled himself very well
interesting it was hunter who would barely make eye contact on the hand shake at the end.
personally even if its the rule it was very nitty to call it
its like getting a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit
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Funnily enough, here in Germany, there are a lot of speed cameras that get set up in random places to "catch" people speeding (in areas where it is not really a safety issue so much..). Americans hate them, and Germans by and large, accept that they were 100% speeding if the speed camera caught them, and just pay the fine and go about their lives, and don't consider it a big deal. This is a cultural difference between Germans and Americans. A lot of Americans are self-entitled, when it comes to following rules.
 
bbb said:
i have seen the ugly side of scott in several matches
but in this case he handled himself very well
interesting it was hunter who would barely make eye contact on the hand shake at the end.
personally even if its the rule it was very nitty to call it
its like getting a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit
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It seems like a few posters think that rules aren't hard rules. 51 over isn't worth a ticket, I mean yes it's a rule, but let me be the judge of at what point it is enforced?
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Funnily enough, here in Germany, there are a lot of speed cameras that get set up in random places to "catch" people speeding (in areas where it is not really a safety issue so much..). Americans hate them, and Germans by and large, accept that they were 100% speeding if the speed camera caught them, and just pay the fine and go about their lives, and don't consider it a big deal. This is a cultural difference between Germans and Americans. A lot of Americans are self-entitled, when it comes to following rules.
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I'd wager it has more to do with big brother watching.
 
bbb said:
i have seen the ugly side of scott in several matches
but in this case he handled himself very well
interesting it was hunter who would barely make eye contact on the hand shake at the end.
personally even if its the rule it was very nitty to call it
its like getting a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit
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I did not realize there was any camera on Scott for the foul albeit out of direct sightline. That to me, explains a lot of why Scott "handled himself so well". Not so sure he does so, if this is in a back room match, with nobody watching, and no camera. Just based on my personal experience with him. He likes to win just a hair too much for his own good.
 
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