Hypothetical Question - What would you do?

Nope. I do not know their intentions from the chair.

Example: The other day I was playing ten ball. My opponent thought I was shooting the 7, when in fact I was kicking at the 6. She told me "6 ball" more than once and I allowed that to distracted my shot.

Nope.
 
easy-e said:
This brings up an interesting thing that happened to me before! I played a safety, and my opponent was going to try kicking behind the blocking ball to make a good hit. He asked the tournament director/referee to watch it for him. The ref takes one look and says “there’s no way you can legally hit it going that way” and he was right. My opponent said “oh, ok”, then kicks a different way and made a good hit! I thought the ref should have kept his mouth shut, but whatever.
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You are correct. The referee has no business offering advice or opinion. I've thought the same thing when, as a TD, someone has asked me to judge a shot. If I need to take a measurement to determine if it's possible for a ball to pass through a gap, I ask the shooter to turn away from the table until I make the measurement, but then I don't say anything.
 
Nostroke said:
I may or may not depending on the guys jack off rating.
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This ^^^

I play league primarily, and we're all friends, for the most part. If i see it and can tell them, I'll tell them. Now that having been said, at a higher level tournament for league, would I do the same, I'm not sure.

If I was playing in a tournament, the same applies...if its local and mostly people I know, I think that I would tell them. If it were something bigger scale, and people from all over, I don't know that I would act the same way. I'd like to think that I would...

If someone is being a knucklehead, well...that's on a case by case basis there.
 
ChrisinNC said:
Looking for honest answers to the following question - Your opponent is mistakenly getting ready to shoot at the wrong ball in a rotational game. If you see it happening in time to stop him, do you tell him before he shoots?

Does it matter if it's a weekly local tourney, a bigger tourney, a money session with a regular, a money session with a stranger, or a crucial shot very late in a close set in any of those situations, where telling them or not telling them is likely going to cause you to win or lose the set?

I don't have a problem with a player that doesn't inform me, and is honest enough to tell me it is not his responsibility to inform me, if I'm the one shooting at the wrong ball. After all, it is my mistake.

What irritates me is the player who lets you know you fouled as soon as you shoot it, but then tries to claim he didn't notice what you were doing in time to stop you, but that he would have stopped you if he'd realized it in time, as he takes the ball-in-hand. Particularly if this has happened in numerous instances versus the same player.

For myself, I'd like to think I'd normally let my opponent know, unless there was a history of issues / problems with that same player, which could affect my decision to cut him a break. I know that when someone is honest enough to tell me before I shoot, it is much appreciated, I thank them for their honesty, and I make a note to make sure to return the favor to that player in the future.

Bottom line is, until we are faced with the situation, and depending on any number of circumstances at the time, can any of us say with absolute certainty what we would do?
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This is a good question and I have been in such situations as a player, as a referee or TD and as a coach. It goes to the etiquette in this game. Let's say there's a referee in the match and he noticed the player is going mistakenly shoot not the ball on so should he let the player know about it?
When it comes to me if I see the opponent's going to make this mistake I let him know about it. The reason was mentioned above I want to win being a better player. There is a good term "fair play" in sport. For example in soccer if any player after some accident is on the grass being out of the game while the opponent team holds the ball and attacks what do we usually see?... the attacking team kicking the ball in out and let the player get the help... It may be not the best example but... Those who was in such situations as a player's going to shoot the wrong ball mistakenly as I was it was me so exhausted playing many matches in a row so it just happened to me and I know that feeling. I'm sure if we want pool to become one day as successful sport as a snooker we should learn that gentlemen's attitude and don't forget about the audience because without it there will be no important positive changes for the game.
P.S. What about very simple principle "Treat the others in such a fashion you want to be treated by them?"
 
justadub said:
This ^^^

I play league primarily, and we're all friends, for the most part. If i see it and can tell them, I'll tell them. Now that having been said, at a higher level tournament for league, would I do the same, I'm not sure.

If I was playing in a tournament, the same applies...if its local and mostly people I know, I think that I would tell them. If it were something bigger scale, and people from all over, I don't know that I would act the same way. I'd like to think that I would...

If someone is being a knucklehead, well...that's on a case by case basis there.
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The trouble with situational ethics is that sometimes it depends on your mood.
How about letting your opponents be responsible for their decisions....
..and you be responsible for yours.
 
The range of responses I've seen already on this post, just a few hours after having started this thread is just what I expected - varied to say the least!
 
ChrisinNC said:
Looking for honest answers to the following question - Your opponent is mistakenly getting ready to shoot at the wrong ball in a rotational game. If you see it happening in time to stop him, do you tell him before he shoots?

Does it matter if it's a weekly local tourney, a bigger tourney, a money session with a regular, a money session with a stranger, or a crucial shot very late in a close set in any of those situations, where telling them or not telling them is likely going to cause you to win or lose the set?

I don't have a problem with a player that doesn't inform me, and is honest enough to tell me it is not his responsibility to inform me, if I'm the one shooting at the wrong ball. After all, it is my mistake.

What irritates me is the player who lets you know you fouled as soon as you shoot it, but then tries to claim he didn't notice what you were doing in time to stop you, but that he would have stopped you if he'd realized it in time, as he takes the ball-in-hand. Particularly if this has happened in numerous instances versus the same player.

For myself, I'd like to think I'd normally let my opponent know, unless there was a history of issues / problems with that same player, which could affect my decision to cut him a break. I know that when someone is honest enough to tell me before I shoot, it is much appreciated, I thank them for their honesty, and I make a note to make sure to return the favor to that player in the future.

Bottom line is, until we are faced with the situation, and depending on any number of circumstances at the time, can any of us say with absolute certainty what we would do?
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If your best friend is cheating on his wife do you tell his wife about it??????

Thanks

Kevin
 
Then may I ask another simple question I'm sure it was asked many times here? You're at the table and there's no referee in the match you're shooting a ball and felt you touched the ball with your bridge hand so little the ball didn't move and the opponent didn't notice that thus didn't call a foul. How many of you will be honest and let the opponent know of your foul? Or in the war all means are good?
 
S.Vaskovskyi said:
Then may I ask another simple question I'm sure it was asked many times here? You're at the table and there's no referee in the match you're shooting a ball and felt you touched the ball with your bridge hand so little the ball didn't move and the opponent didn't notice that thus didn't call a foul. How many of you will be honest and let the opponent know of your foul? Or in the war all means are good?
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In cue ball fouls only which is most common for all but a few of the most major pro tournaments, what you described would not be considered a foul anyway, as long as you informed your opponent or the referee that you'd touched it, and your opponent then has the option to leave the ball at it's new position or move it back to it's original position. This is a good common sense rule to eliminate the conflict/dilemma you suggest.
 
S.Vaskovskyi said:
Then may I ask another simple question I'm sure it was asked many times here? You're at the table and there's no referee in the match you're shooting a ball and felt you touched the ball with your bridge hand so little the ball didn't move and the opponent didn't notice that thus didn't call a foul. How many of you will be honest and let the opponent know of your foul? Or in the war all means are good?
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We say it isn't a foul and then tell NATO we are leaving.
 
ChrisinNC said:
In cue ball fouls only which is most common for all but a few of the most major pro tournaments, what you described would not be considered a foul anyway, as long as you informed your opponent or the referee that you'd touched it, and your opponent then has the option to leave the ball at it's new position or move it back to it's original position. This is a good common sense rule to eliminate the conflict/dilemma you suggest.
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In BCAPL rules it’s worth noting some of the nuances that would be a foul:

Disturbing the cue ball
Disturbing more than one ball
Restoring a ball without permission
Disturbing a ball into another ball
Disturbing a ball in motion
Disturbing a ball that affects a shot outcome


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ChrisinNC said:
In cue ball fouls only which is most common for all but a few of the most major pro tournaments, what you described would not be considered a foul anyway, as long as you informed your opponent or the referee that you'd touched it, and your opponent then has the option to leave the ball at it's new position or move it back to it's original position. This is a good common sense rule to eliminate the conflict/dilemma you suggest.
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Ok but at least it would be a lost of turn and opponent's choice wright? Or you just continue playing because opponent was not careful enough and didn't notice it... There are quite a lot interesting situations which can occur...
 
ChrisinNC said:
Looking for honest answers to the following question - Your opponent is mistakenly getting ready to shoot at the wrong ball in a rotational game. If you see it happening in time to stop him, do you tell him before he shoots?

Does it matter if it's a weekly local tourney, a bigger tourney, a money session with a regular, a money session with a stranger, or a crucial shot very late in a close set in any of those situations, where telling them or not telling them is likely going to cause you to win or lose the set?

I don't have a problem with a player that doesn't inform me, and is honest enough to tell me it is not his responsibility to inform me, if I'm the one shooting at the wrong ball. After all, it is my mistake.

What irritates me is the player who lets you know you fouled as soon as you shoot it, but then tries to claim he didn't notice what you were doing in time to stop you, but that he would have stopped you if he'd realized it in time, as he takes the ball-in-hand. Particularly if this has happened in numerous instances versus the same player.

For myself, I'd like to think I'd normally let my opponent know, unless there was a history of issues / problems with that same player, which could affect my decision to cut him a break. I know that when someone is honest enough to tell me before I shoot, it is much appreciated, I thank them for their honesty, and I make a note to make sure to return the favor to that player in the future.

Bottom line is, until we are faced with the situation, and depending on any number of circumstances at the time, can any of us say with absolute certainty what we would do?
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Personally, I inform them. I want to beat them purely on pool skill, not on some lucky break like that. I also believe in the sportsmanship side of it as well.
 
S.Vaskovskyi said:
Ok but at least it would be a lost of turn and opponent's choice wright? Or you just continue playing because opponent was not careful enough and didn't notice it... There are quite a lot interesting situations which can occur...
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You should stop
 
ChicagoRJ said:
You are kind of contradicting yourself. It's sportsmanship, unless it's a larger event or nationals?

Sportsmanship is fine and dandy, but it must rest alone. You can't pick and chose when you can show sportsmanship. ...
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Sort of like....

:groucho: (to woman seated next to him at an elegant dinner party): Would you sleep with me for ten million dollars?

WOMAN (giggles and responds): Oh, Groucho, of course I would.

:groucho:: How about doing it for fifteen dollars?

WOMAN (indignant): Why, what do you think I am?

:groucho:: That’s already been established. Now we’re just haggling about the price.​
 
I'd say something if I was aware. If I committed the foul, I'd shake my head and think what a careless mistake no matter how I was told. Then I'll look for the chair, sit down, and keep thinking over and over about it for the rest of the match. hahaha...

OK. How about this situation? Player is about to break and the CB is over the line. Is this a foul in waiting or you tell them to move the CB back? Can you win such a call? The wrong number ball is easy because it's evidence on the table. In this case, it's your word against theirs.

I have to think most will inform the player to move the CB back a few...
 
I try to stay quiet when my opponent is shooting because I don’t want to be blamed for sharking and stuff. Of course if it’s a friendly game with a buddy then it’s a different story. But in a money match or tournament then I consider it respectful to stay quiet and out of the line of sight when my opponent is at the table.
 
mia said:
It has happened to me before in tournaments AND money situations. And when it did, I let my opponent know every time. I know some may disagree and that's fine. I don't expect everyone to react like this. But in my mind, if I'm going to win (or even fight for the chance to come back/win), I want it to be because I made no mistakes. Not because my opponent made a silly one.
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Same here. If I see it in time I let them know. Again, not everyone would agree but I wouldn't be comfortable not saying anything.
 
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