Hyptnotism
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do it yourself
I have to say I am strongly in the camp of those that say do it yourself.
Here are a few things I have gathered over the years, they work for me:
First, any serious competitor needs an ego. What else makes you think that you can win? I decided many years ago that a bit of an ego was a good thing.
The second thing is to avoid false modesty. It isn't necessary to brag but never put yourself down either. If you came to win, don't claim that you came just to bang balls around. Repeat anything often enough and your subconscious believes it, regardless of the fact that you consciencely know it isn't true.
Maybe a corollary to the last thought; focus on what you want to do and be positive that you can do it. Never think about not scratching or not fouling or not anything else. Think about what you intend to happen.
The most important part of the mental game, and I suspect where you are getting nailed, is turning loose of all of this thought when you bend over. Once you start a turn at the table you should be over 90% on autopilot with just a tiny bit of consciousness sitting in a corner observing to make corrections as needed.
Hypnosis isn't required for any of this although I suppose it could be argued that it is self hypnosis. Build your confidence through positive thinking and being honest about your goals in competition regardless of if you are just thinking, talking to others, or writing. You can remain silent if you aren't comfortable telling others that you are going for a win but never tell others that you are hoping for a top ten or twenty finish when you are there to win.
Many different ways to get to the same end I suspect. As I said at the start of this post, this works for me.
Hu
I have to say I am strongly in the camp of those that say do it yourself.
Here are a few things I have gathered over the years, they work for me:
First, any serious competitor needs an ego. What else makes you think that you can win? I decided many years ago that a bit of an ego was a good thing.
The second thing is to avoid false modesty. It isn't necessary to brag but never put yourself down either. If you came to win, don't claim that you came just to bang balls around. Repeat anything often enough and your subconscious believes it, regardless of the fact that you consciencely know it isn't true.
Maybe a corollary to the last thought; focus on what you want to do and be positive that you can do it. Never think about not scratching or not fouling or not anything else. Think about what you intend to happen.
The most important part of the mental game, and I suspect where you are getting nailed, is turning loose of all of this thought when you bend over. Once you start a turn at the table you should be over 90% on autopilot with just a tiny bit of consciousness sitting in a corner observing to make corrections as needed.
Hypnosis isn't required for any of this although I suppose it could be argued that it is self hypnosis. Build your confidence through positive thinking and being honest about your goals in competition regardless of if you are just thinking, talking to others, or writing. You can remain silent if you aren't comfortable telling others that you are going for a win but never tell others that you are hoping for a top ten or twenty finish when you are there to win.
Many different ways to get to the same end I suspect. As I said at the start of this post, this works for me.
Hu
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um, wouldn't hypnotism be the natural cure?
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
John
Sorry, just couldn't resist.John
Colin Colenso said:
I'm rubbing who the wrong way? In another topic I asked for you to get with me privately to discuss sports marketing. You never contacted me. That spoke volumes and I am not surprised. I would have discussed the IPT issue with you as well. Believe it or not - there are plenty of facts that I have purposely not shared in this forum for many reasons - none of which you will know about until you discuss the issue with me privately. Your statements on hypnosis are hilariously funny to someone who knows better.
I have been assisting players of all levels with the mental aspect of pool (professionally) for over 12 years. You are the first person to tell me that I do not know what I am talking about. Congratulations. I'm more than sure that I have my facts straight on both of these issues. My writings on this subject are all over the internet - I stand behind my work. I wish you all the best in your endeavor to succeed on the IPT.
Blackjack said:
Yes Blackjack, I did say I would discuss with you personally and broke that promise and wasn't happy with myself for doing that. Was tied up with a few things at the time.
Anyway, I didn't say that you don't know what you are talking about. I suggested that your's are opinions and not facts. I at least tried to give some reasoning for my opinions to back up my stance.
Twice you've said my comments are laughable. That speaks volumes too!
Link me to some of your writings if you don't mind, somehow, as one of pools most ardent internet surfers, I've not managed to bump into any of your writings of note in the last 7 years. They are hardly 'all over the internet'. Surely you've read what the ancients had to say on hubris
Colin Colenso said:Well their website must be blocked in China....proof it is dangerous
Claiming you know the facts of the influence of hypnosis is like claiming to have a true understanding of the workings of the mind. Something I'm sure neither, you, I or any Nobel prize winners have.
I gave my opinion with a reason why I believed it, but how exactly people's minds react to hypnotism under a hypnotic state is something very complex.
I suggest, if you have 5 years to spare, and a curiosity for the process of thinking and the workings of the human mind to study Harold Percival's tomb, "Thinking and Destiny" Online Here . A book where he claims that being hypnotized is perhaps the worst thing a human can do in his path of development. Mr. Percival was a man of extraordinary knowledge.
I've seen nothing from you or other so called experts that contradicts his opinion. Do your facts come from the same source as your facts that led you to try to form a movement against the IPT?
You wrote: "Hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness."
Can you really define conciousnessor the details on the hypnotic altered state?
Pardon my directness, but I think you need to learn to better present your facts if you have any, otherwise you shouldn't brag that you have the facts on your side. State your ideas as opinions and you might not rub people the wrong way so often.
"Thinking and Destiny", sounds like an interesting book.In what chapter does he give his opinions on hypnotism please. I'd like to read his comments.
Thanks, RJ
Pretty much all a hypnotist is going to tell you is that when you see the color green, you'll have reassuring thoughts about concentrating more and staying focused when playing pool.
Same thing with weight loss. When you see the color red, you'll have thoughts of being more healthy and eating less junk food.
It's just the power of suggestion. I see no actual harm in it.
Same thing with weight loss. When you see the color red, you'll have thoughts of being more healthy and eating less junk food.
It's just the power of suggestion. I see no actual harm in it.
One section where it is discussed is Chapter 7 'Mental Destiny' Section 24.recoveryjones said:
There is also a chapter titled Hypnotism on p.129 in his book, 'Democracy is Self Government'.
Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman and i talked about this a few years back. he said why not try it, didnt see anything to lose. he told me that he tried it once and about a month or so later won the World Masters Trick Shot Championship, i think that was the tournament.
i've always thought about trying it myself. i even asked the family doctor about hypnosis, and he didnt think it was a big deal, didnt see anything wrong with it.
DCP
i've always thought about trying it myself. i even asked the family doctor about hypnosis, and he didnt think it was a big deal, didnt see anything wrong with it.
DCP
drivermaker
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Just out of curiosity since I don't follow much of the world pool players and rankings and also have a hard time distinguishing one last name from another that has 24 letters of the alphabet in it....how many pool players from countries that practice Buddism or long sessions of meditation and levitation as part of their culture or religion have learned to control their mind and body enough to be ranked in the top 10...top 20...or even top 50 of the pool world?
Colin Colenso said:
To make the shot and keep shape.
Colin Colenso said:
If its doubt or fear, i haven't recognised it as either.
Colin Colenso said:
Shot and shape are my focus. Emmotions, not specificly (until I miss! ) .
Colin Colenso said:
Playing to my abilility and make the damned shot I've practiced 100 times. Always hoping for more. Luck, No. I certainly try and make my own luck though..
Colin Colenso said:
I am trying. I'll try harder..
A few points to reply Mr.W:Mr. Wilson said:
By doubt, I mean 'in two or more minds'. This condition when attempting to achieve an aim leads to fear, confusion, frustration or anger. Good players can keep their mind relatively clear of doubt and those subsequent conditions, though rarely can they eliminate doubt entirely.
Most players don't like to admit that they choked, beginners especially, but from playing through these stages and watching thousands of players, their capacity to play to their ability (by not experiencing doubt and negativity) is the main determinant of their success.
This condition even exists in practice. Surely most have experienced the difference between normal play and being in the zone. When we are in the zone, we are playing with less doubt I believe.
When we get angry over missing a shot, this is because we are confused (doubtful) about the cause. We may say, we missed because we pulled across or aimed thick or whatever, but what frustrates us is that we didn't figure to adjust to this. We fear our lack of self-control, our ability to do what we want to do.
When we get frustrated or angry, we are missing the opportunity to learn. We should accept that everything we do, good and bad shots are a true representation of our current abilities, and that shots that go astray are actually chances to pin point our weaknesses and discover their cause and hence cure.
Thinking along these lines will initially add confusion by creating additional thoughts to your routines. However, with practice and continued thinking, great improvements are possible.
We have to be patient and allow our senses and thinking to be developed such that focus becomes directed to what is critical and so that the physical faculties are trained for reliable execution.
Pardon my long-windedness....hope some of it is relevant and helpful.
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drivermaker
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Colin Colenso said:
I don't know about him and the others on here...but I was looking forward to more of your insights regarding the myriad of aiming systems and how they alleviate doubts and fear from all the different shot possibilities that one can encounter. When you have ANY shot and KNOW what you have to do to make it and can execute...how does that affect the miind? Please feel free to tell us everything you know.
A categorization of trained thinkers who utilize forms of meditation that I like is Adepts and Masters.drivermaker said:
Adepts aim more for the specialization and advancement of a particular skillful faculty. In some sense we could say that pool players, golfers and the like attain to adept staus and incorporate a system of meditation. This doesn't mean they need to belong to a religion or study any branches of metaphysics, though their thinking often leads to similar conclusions.
Masters aim more at total control and understanding of the faculties of the mind and its relationship to the universe and have little interest in the development of extreme physical skills, though they may have the mental attributes to do so.
I do believe there are humans of advanced mental control that are capable of surpassing what the best sportsmen have achieved, though they would have no desire to do so. There desire is not for fame or fortune, but for continued learning. I doubt you'll be much more likely to find these people in the Buddhist monestaries than in your local churches.
Where's my proof? I have none. Just what I believe.
Having studied and practiced Raja Yoga meditation, TM meditation and some other techniques, I don't find much difference in the meditation method of practicing pool.
Maybe some mahatma can pipe in now for a better insight
DM,drivermaker said:I don't know about him and the others on here...but I was looking forward to more of your insights regarding the myriad of aiming systems and how they alleviate doubts and fear from all the different shot possibilities that one can encounter. When you have ANY shot and KNOW what you have to do to make it and can execute...how does that affect the miind? Please feel free to tell us everything you know.
I have come to recognize your point that I do use systems and that they are very useful, in fact critical. Yes, they can remove doubt! eg. The system of knowing the CB will stop when sliding full ball into another ball of the same weight, or that bank shots straighten up with speed or certain side english and many other applications of physics that we incorporate into our predictions.
Regarding aiming, I certainly want to find a system that is most functional, most adaptable to. At this stage however, I prefer mine over yours, but since I'll be getting back to the table regularly, I'll have a chance to experiment a little. There's always something to learn!
I was hoping that 60% of the IPT results would be judged on theory examinations, but I'm not so lucky
Colin Colenso said:
Do not depricate youself unless it is your way of showing humbleness.
you simplified a very complex process and explained in a way that ordinary folks can assimilate.I never came accross any one who was able to explain that well.Keep the good ideas/thoughts flowing.
vagabond said:Do not depricate youself unless it is your way of showing humbleness.
you simplified a very complex process and explained in a way that ordinary folks can assimilate.I never came accross any one who was able to explain that well.Keep the good ideas/thoughts flowing.
tap tap tap, me, too.
Isn't hypnosis the process (eternally or internally enacted) of bypassing the conscious mind and putting orders or suggestions into the willing subconscious mind directly?
If this is true, then the dangers are apparent, imho. Anything that allows info into the mind without the rational filter of the conscious mind CAN BE very damaging to the self. Poetry and music come to mind as examples of this potential danger.
If done to oneself, with careful techniques, then I could see how hypnosis ("self-suggestion") could be used to put oneself into a relaxed, muscle tension-free state, even if under the gun in a pool match. But, in my experience, I've only seen this done successfully in the long-term through consistent conscious processes, not through quick-n-easy, feel-good, subconscious defaults on reasoning and control.
Perhaps looking to hypnosis from the outside is mainly a warning signal that you've lost conscious control of your shot. Thus, maybe your solution isn't hypnosis, but the opposite: more conscious control.
Jeff Livingston
Thanks Vagabond,vagabond said:Do not depricate youself unless it is your way of showing humbleness.
you simplified a very complex process and explained in a way that ordinary folks can assimilate.I never came accross any one who was able to explain that well.Keep the good ideas/thoughts flowing.
I have at times been accused of being arrogant and will plead guilty on occassion
A little humility never hurt...of course it is purely camouflage
drivermaker
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Colin Colenso said:
I asked you to please tell us everything you know about the subject.
Oh man...forgive me...my mistake. I guess you just did.
Hey...in all seriousness, I hope you do well in the tournaments. If you don't, you'll be able to keep this place jumpin' with threads containing all of your problems.
"I CAN'T BREAK FOR SHIT, WHAT SHOULD I DO....I GOT MY ASS WHIPPED BY A HACK, HOW CAN I COME BACK...WHAT TIP GETS THE BEST ACTION DUE TO CORIOLIS FORCE WHEN I'M IN A DIFFERENT HEMISPHERE...DOES MELATONIN REALLY WORK FOR JET LAG...I GOT HYPNOTIZED BY D. BASAVICH AFTER HE TOOK 45 MINUTES TO RUN A RACK, NOW I ACT LIKE A TREE...CAN THE SPOTS ON THE MEASLES CB BE USED AS NUMBERS IN JOE T's AIMING SYSTEM...HOW DO YOU STOP GAINING WEIGHT WHEN YOUR DIET CONSISTS OF McDONALDS EVERY MEAL...WHAT IS THE BEST AMERICAN CUSTOM CUE THAT I CAN BUY FOR 10,546,324 YEN...WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO STOP MARISSA FROM BEING AT EVERY SINGLE EVENT AND HOUNDING EVERYONE...
WHY HAS MY BANK ACCOUNT SUDDENLY BEEN GETTING MORE AND MORE DEPLETED.
Have fun and we're looking forward to those threads.