I am tired of hearing people moan, groan and make smart remarks about safeties

I love hooking my opponent & watching the puzzled look on his face as he attempts to kick 3 rails to get a hit on the object ball.:grin:

I love it when my opponent hooks me and I'm forced to kick 3 rails to get a good hit on the object ball.:grin:

I LOVE THIS GAME!
 
sjm said:
I hold low-skill amateurs that complain about safety play in similar regard to pros and other serious players that advocate rewriting the rulebook in a way that would largely eliminate the two way shot.

If low-skill amateurs should stop whining about safety play, then highly skilled players should stop whining about the fact that they are sometimes left safe when an opponent misses a shot.

Defense and two-way shots are part of the game, and low-skill and high-skill players need to embrace this, rather than moaning interminably that the rules are inappropriate.
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and what does a two-way dogged it shot and got luckier than hell and now you're going to win because you missed have to do with this??

Those rules were made for TV not for the game. A game that is supposed to be skill not a ride em and hope thing.
 
Pii said:
and what does a two-way dogged it shot and got luckier than hell and now you're going to win because you missed have to do with this??
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It's on a par with a shot in nine ball that went in that you didn't play, or the excellent shoae you got even though you didn't play for it. Offensive luck counts, and it's part of the game. To me, there is no duller game played on a pool table than total offense nine ball. Embrace the game as is, you'll enjoy it more! Both one-pocket and nine ball offer countless ways of playing offense and defense together, and it's part of their beauty.
 
I have never heard a serious player moan about a safety. I have heard it in bars and on league night.
Most league players are bar room players who happen to be regulars in an establishment hosting a team. You might be in there on Friday night trying to stay on the one table in the place and someone on the team sees you thinks you play ok (that's all you need to play apa) and since he had to lose a skill player or get a low handicap you get invited to play. Thus the bar player mentality contaminates the league play.
Bar player mentality frowns on safety play. Why? because there is only one or 2 tables in the bar and 15 people waiting to play. Nobody wants to see a safety battle... They want you to slam the balls home so they can get up to the table and slam them home for as many games as possible. Maybe winning a drink a game. That's a lot of drinks in a night and saftey play slows consumption. This is why the "good safety" is so important. They can't ***** if they can hit their ball. All you will hear is moaning about haw bad they are being left. Lock someone up and watch the sparks fly.

I did see a televised match where Larry Nevel won a rack by 3 fouling Big Bubba (?) 3 lock up safeties in a row. I never saw such a big man with that soft a touch. I was amazed at the precision with which he managed whitey. It was a beautiful thing, and his opponent hated it.

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Pii said:
You make it sound all anyone does is try to hide the 9ball. Losing on 3 fouls is rare, I haven't been 3 fouled in years.
Take care.
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Well come on down to Corpus Christi Texas ... home of the foul masters.
 
Pii said:
Do you lose if you scratch on the 8 in 8ball? Aren't you suppose to win by making the 8 ? I don't know it seems like a small thing to be so worked up about.

It seems like you should be more worried about ball in hand after only one foul than being three fouled.

Take care.
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We are talking 9 ball.
Eight ball is entirely different.
It is almost impossable to three foul someone after he shoots a scratch on the the break.
Two completely different games and yes ... there are safety's in 8 ball and I got no issue with that.

Down here if you scratch on the break playing 9 ball there are some players that you can count on them trying to three foul you regardless of the table layout.
I dont care if every ball is one inch from the hole they will try to tuck the cue ball in behind one of them.
Two shots are easier and faster than eight or nine and since the rules allow it they go for it.
They are average shooters that have learned to hide the cue ball very well.

Hey ... with all due respect ... I submit ... nine ball was a better game when played by the rules BEFORE the three foul rule was created.
It is just my preference of style of play.
You could still shoot a safety anytime ... you just called "safety" and shot.
If the incoming player did not like the shot he could make you shoot it.
If you fouled then it was ball in hand.
 
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WilleeCue said:
We are talking 9 ball.
Eight ball is entirely different.
It is almost impossable to three foul someone after he shoots a scratch on the the break.
Two completely different games and yes ... there are safety's in 8 ball and I got no issue with that.

Down here if you scratch on the break playing 9 ball there are some players that you can count on them trying to three foul you regardless of the table layout.
I dont care if every ball is one inch from the hole they will try to tuck the cue ball in behind one of them.
Two shots are easier and faster than eight or nine and since the rules allow it they go for it.
They are average shooters that have learned to hide the cue ball very well.

Hey ... with all due respect ... I submit ... nine ball was a better game when played by the rules BEFORE the three foul rule was created.
It is just my preference of style of play.
You could still shoot a safety anytime ... you just called "safety" and shot.
If the incoming player did not like the shot he could make you shoot it.
If you fouled then it was ball in hand.
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How can a average player hide the "cue very wel"l three times in a row? Perhaps their better than you think:eek: Besides how many times do you scratch on the break? Stop doing that!:D

Anyways if you had been following my post you should have seen I also like the old way better also but where I learned we had the 3 foul rule BEFORE tv and before I started playing there some 30 years ago. I'd rather fight the one foul BIH rule than the 3 foul rule since it so much easier to one foul someone than 3 foul someone. It also adds MUCHO luck to the game!

Oh well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Take care
 
WilleeCue said:
Well come on down to Corpus Christi Texas ... home of the foul masters.
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No problem I'll swim across the Gulf.

They probably just try to three foul you all the time because they know it drives you nuts :D
 
The Pleasure Of Small Motions

The Pleasure Of Small Motions is an excellent book about the psychology of pool.

In this book is a chaptor on the winning mentality. The author makes the point that one should practice for a month and chart the progress. Say for example you play 20 games a day during this month and you write down how many runouts , 8 ball runs, 7 ball runs ect., etc...

When you add it all up and figure the percentages if you run out 20% of the time....in effect if you attempt to runout eveytime at the table you are setting yourself up to fail 80% of the time.

On the other hand if you can acheive a 5 ball run 75% of the time the strategy is clear. Play your 5 ball run, call safe and finish the game off after your opponent misses. That should occur 3 out of 4 times.

By all means continue practicing toward perfection and raising your runout percentage but don't attempt a runout everytime since you'll fail more often than not.
 
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