I don't know about you....

[KRJ]

Hmmmm

So... your saying you would like to "over" pay for the same quality!!!! More power to you sir! Enjoy your money and I'll enjoy more of mine!!

Reputation does count for something too ! The secondary market for cues and the better name is going to hold their value more. The "older" guys have years of experience and earned the reputation. This is part art, part science and part skills to make a cue.

I "over paid" for my $1000 orginal Schuler 9 years ago, a year before Ray passed away. Used the cue for 8 years, and sold it on Ebay for $1500. Not bad. So, yeah, I could have found a cue made just as well, and for a few less bucks. But what would the value be today if I had sold it?? Not $1500 if it was the infamous Freddie Four Fingers !! And FFF could be the next great cuemaker for all we know, and you just might have a collector on your hand. The difference is some want to know up front. Either way is fine, it just will not work for all people.

It comes down to preference. Somebody has to take the "chance" on the new guy. Somebody had to buy the first Hyundai Excel decades ago. Some guys can take a chance on a cuemaker, so be it.

Do you buy the Lexus over the Volvo, for the same price, but the Lexus will hold a huge reslale value over the Volvo ?? Personal preference.... You might save few bucks up front, but not on the back end when you trade it in.....Either way works, you save some up front, and other guy gets a lot more back at trade in time. Lot of factors involved,,,did you have the extra money up front for the Lexus, are you going to drive the Volve into the ground and NOT ever trade it in.......

Just depends on the individual I guess.....

Got my Spain 33 years ago and not doing too bad on the current value from what I paid for it...I'm sure I overpaid for it though !!

 

[cubswin]

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[classiccues]

Richard is very good and needs no defense from me but I don't like innuendo from grouches. I got some red rep and banned for 2 years from classiccues so I expect this nonsense.

MtB:groucho::angel2:

This is absolute BS... I have only red-repped people who red repped me first. It hasn't been for a while. So unless you have had another screen name, you're outta your mind. That is a fact.

BTW so if Richard can add an ivory butt cap and joint and increase the value of a SW by double, then his 4 point house cue duc lam has at 450.00 is like mugging an old lady of her social security.. BTW I didn't out your post, you did. But it could have been for any of 100 cues for sale that were modified in some instance by someone else in the for sale section.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Have to agree with that. The title of the OP's thread should be "I don't know about you....but I want everyone to know that I know better than you"

Could have been, and wouldn't be far from absolute correctness. :thumbup:

JV (----you win a prize for my detecting my mastery of the universe

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

This is absolute BS... I have only red-repped people who red repped me first. It hasn't been for a while. So unless you have had another screen name, your outta your mind. That is a fact.

BTW so if Richard can add an ivory butt cap and joint and increase the value of a SW by double, then his 4 point house cue duc lam has at 450.00 is like mugging an old lady of her social security.. BTW I didn't out your post, you did. But it could have been for any of 100 cues for sale that were modified in some instance by someone else.

JV

I WANTED TO KNOW HOW HE GOT BANNED FROM CLASSICCUES....... IT'S JUST A WEBSITE, HOW DID IT BAN SOMEONE?

Marcus

 

[classiccues]

The same guys that have a lot of "master craftsman" cues for sale,

very similiar to the same guys that put all those goofy numbers in
all the bluebook of pool cues.

Yes, and almost yes...

The values of cues are dynamic, and without a constant update, the blue book is usually off before it hits the shelves because it takes a long time to go from start to finish. True market values are tough to decipher because you have no way to keep the information flowing to the right source. To do a dynamic website is the answer, but then you need to trust the input. A few nuthangers typing in they "overpaid" for Larry's Lathemaster Q will get people thinking there is a new God in town, and could skew the listing.

I love Brad, and I love the book, but Becketts is a price guide, the Blue Book is a coffee table reference book.

JV

 

[Mike the Bike]

Ask Mr. Wilson...

This is absolute BS... I have only red-repped people who red repped me first. It hasn't been for a while. So unless you have had another screen name, you're outta your mind. That is a fact.

BTW so if Richard can add an ivory butt cap and joint and increase the value of a SW by double, then his 4 point house cue duc lam has at 450.00 is like mugging an old lady of her social security.. BTW I didn't out your post, you did. But it could have been for any of 100 cues for sale that were modified in some instance by someone else in the for sale section.

JV

You're right, I checked and was banned for red rep to you. You deserved it but Mr. Wilson disagreed. Fair enough. It was 2 years ago.

As for the value of a SW it depends on what was paid for it originally. You don't know what was paid for this cue. That's between
Victor and me. Save the asinine references to cue values you know nothing about.

WTF does this mean?
" then his 4 point house cue duc lam has at 450.00 is like mugging an old lady of her social security.."

And stuff the nonsense about my post. If you play pool like you think you ain't much....

Mike the Bike:groucho:

 

[lenoxmjs]

Whatever your issue is you should just let it go. Your working on getting yourself banned again . Nobody really wants that. I know Mr. Wilson won't put up with attacks on an individual directly.

 

[Mike the Bike]

Thanks for the advice...

Whatever your issue is you should just let it go. Your working on getting yourself banned again . Nobody really wants that. I know Mr. Wilson won't put up with attacks on an individual directly.

If I'm banned i'll just play even more pool. But I don't like know it all's....

If someone examines a cue and posts an opinion then sure they actually looked at it and maybe even hit a ball.
But the know it all here is just a loud mouth.

Thanks again for the advice...

MtB:groucho::angel2:

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

If I'm banned i'll just play even more pool. But I don't like know it all's....

If someone examines a cue and posts an opinion then sure they actually looked at it and maybe even hit a ball.
But the know it all here is just a loud mouth.

Thanks again for the advice...

MtB:groucho::angel2:

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A CUE DOESN'T NEED TO BE SEEN IN PERSON.

YOUR CUES WERE NEVER MENTIONED IN THE OP, SO "WHY SO SERIOUS"? PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT HERE, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A FORUM.

Marcus

P.S. I CAN'T PLAY FOR $hit, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T KNOW CUES. I KNOW MANY OTHERS THAT ENJOY THE CUES, AND HAVE AMAZING AMOUNTS OF CUE KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT BEING "MONSTER" PLAYERS.

 

[Mike the Bike]

Thanks Marcus,

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A CUE DOESN'T NEED TO BE SEEN IN PERSON.

YOUR CUES WERE NEVER MENTIONED IN THE OP, SO "WHY SO SERIOUS"? PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT HERE, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A FORUM.

Marcus

P.S. I CAN'T PLAY FOR $hit, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T KNOW CUES. I KNOW MANY OTHERS THAT ENJOY THE CUES, AND HAVE AMAZING AMOUNTS OF CUE KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT BEING "MONSTER" PLAYERS.

It became obvious after several posts. I just don't like anyone ranking on a craftsman without knowledge of their work.

Mike the Bike:groucho:

 

[classiccues]

It became obvious after several posts. I just don't like anyone ranking on a craftsman without knowledge of their work.

Mike the Bike:groucho:

You're way off base. I am much closer and have seen more of his cues than you have. BTW his work has nothing to do with what has been said.

JV

 

[asiasdad]

True market values are tough to decipher because you have no way to keep the information flowing to the right source. To do a dynamic website is the answer, but then you need to trust the input. A few nuthangers typing in they "overpaid" for Larry's Lathemaster Q will get people thinking there is a new God in town, and could skew the listing.


JV

Oh, I get it now. You're suggesting another AZBilliards Wanted/For Sale
type of Forum.

 

[classiccues]

You're right, I checked and was banned for red rep to you. You deserved it but Mr. Wilson disagreed. Fair enough. It was 2 years ago.

As for the value of a SW it depends on what was paid for it originally. You don't know what was paid for this cue. That's between
Victor and me. Save the asinine references to cue values you know nothing about.

WTF does this mean?
" then his 4 point house cue duc lam has at 450.00 is like mugging an old lady of her social security.."

And stuff the nonsense about my post. If you play pool like you think you ain't much....

Mike the Bike:groucho:

LOL I have forgotten more about cue values than you will ever know. But that aside, you were wrong on the first part about me banning you, you're wrong here and quite frankly, now you have made this fun for me and I like fun.

What does that mean? Reading tougher than playing pool? If a modification by Hsu can double the value of a SW, than a cue by him for 450 would obviously be the stone cold nutter butter, right? That would be the logic one would follow if they were so inclined. If someone does enough crack and thinks that adding a 200 dollar joint and butt cap by a literal unknown outside of NY can double the value of a SW, then that person deserves that cue.

Do you think if he modified a Dennis Searing it too would double in value? This is a serious question BTW?

I might not play pool as good as you, but I spend money better than you play pool.

JV

 

[classiccues]

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A CUE DOESN'T NEED TO BE SEEN IN PERSON.

YOUR CUES WERE NEVER MENTIONED IN THE OP, SO "WHY SO SERIOUS"? PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT HERE, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A FORUM.

Marcus

P.S. I CAN'T PLAY FOR $hit, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T KNOW CUES. I KNOW MANY OTHERS THAT ENJOY THE CUES, AND HAVE AMAZING AMOUNTS OF CUE KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT BEING "MONSTER" PLAYERS.

True story, last Christmas Marcus and I played a 100 point straight pool game, right now I think its 65-54 and it's his shot...

JV

 

[Mike the Bike]

Think what you like,

LOL I have forgotten more about cue values than you will ever know. But that aside, you were wrong on the first part about me banning you, you're wrong here and quite frankly, now you have made this fun for me and I like fun.

What does that mean? Reading tougher than playing pool? If a modification by Hsu can double the value of a SW, than a cue by him for 450 would obviously be the stone cold nutter butter, right? That would be the logic one would follow if they were so inclined. If someone does enough crack and thinks that adding a 200 dollar joint and butt cap by a literal unknown outside of NY can double the value of a SW, then that person deserves that cue.

Do you think if he modified a Dennis Searing it too would double in value? This is a serious question BTW?

I might not play pool as good as you, but I spend money better than you play pool.

JV

Why the hell would I care. All this double talk about the value doubling is a moot point when you don't know what it cost.
The quality of the work is first rate and beautiful. So buzz back to the world where you forget more than I care too know about
whatever spins your gears. As far as Richard's abilities and what he charges for his cues you could actually try to hold one
in your old hands and then have an opinion. Seems reasonable.
My wife spends money better than either of us.

MtB:groucho:

 

[buddha162]

If a modification by Hsu can double the value of a SW, than a cue by him for 450 would obviously be the stone cold nutter butter, right? That would be the logic one would follow if they were so inclined. If someone does enough crack and thinks that adding a 200 dollar joint and butt cap by a literal unknown outside of NY can double the value of a SW, then that person deserves that cue.

Do you think if he modified a Dennis Searing it too would double in value? This is a serious question BTW?

Wait wait wait...Someone doubled the sale price on a SW because Richard Hsu modded the cue?

Where is this thread.

-roger

 

[theblemishedone]

Quoted for truth.

I hadn't heard of Skip Weston until I started getting seriously into pool in the late '90's/early 2000's. I loved his work-so much so that I "overpaid" for 2 of his cues back in 2002.

Paul Fanelli was known for his seamless leather wraps before he made cues. I saw some of his earlier works, and they were fetching a little less than what they are today (his work wasn't as fancy as it is today, but his hit is consistent and his leather wraps are still seamless).

Well known makers have the background of local players using and asking for what works for them. Go to poolrooms around NYC, NJ and
meet a lot of good cue makers. The good ones are known all over.



MtB:groucho::angel2:

 

[nasc]

Wait wait wait...Someone doubled the sale price on a SW because Richard Hsu modded the cue?

Where is this thread.

-roger

Just look up Mike the Bikes posts.

Glen

 

[buddha162]

Just look up Mike the Bikes posts.

Glen

Thank you. Wow.

-roger