I hate haters...

[catscradle]

This is directed to Peer and Peer alone and not to include any other non citizens of the USA.

I do not possess the expertise of language skills of JoeyA, so this may be rather blunt and to the point.

I do not believe that you love this country. I believe that you love being in this country and taking advantage of what this country can do for you. There are many others, I am sure that are the same and if you live within the laws I do not have a problem with that. Just man up and say you don't, it will be okay.


Until you can show me one of these I will hard pressed to believe that you do love this great country.

Steve Elzinga
like it says on the DD 214 form below.

I've got one of those and my ancestors have been born in this country since before it was a country (9 generations), but just what does that have to do with loving this country? Many people love this country who were never in the military and many who have been in the military treat it with disrespect. If Peer says he loves this country, why should he be questioned because he hasn't served?

For the record:
I love the USA,
I love New England more than that,
I love Massachusetts more than that,
I love the South Shore of MA and Cape Cod more than that,
and I love my family more than any of it.
That is the way it should be.

IMO.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Being a yellow-belly and afraid of meeting someone face-to-face, perhaps..?

-- peer

I think this thread has got,

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I would like to see it return to fine foreign cars, bumper stickers, and red necks driveing monster trucks.

 

[HouseMan]

Being a yellow-belly and afraid of meeting someone face-to-face, perhaps..?

-- peer

I wouldn't say anything here that I wouldn't say to your face believe me. Just some friendly advice though, that superiority know-it-all attitude you have may get you trouble out beyond the friendly confines of Palo Alto, Stanford & SFO areas. You're located in the right place for your beliefs, lots of like minded people there. Good choice, drive on.

 

[sde]

I've got one of those and my ancestors have been born in this country since before it was a country (9 generations), but just what does that have to do with loving this country? Many people love this country who were never in the military and many who have been in the military treat it with disrespect. If Peer says he loves this country, why should he be questioned because he hasn't served?

For the record:
I love the USA,
I love New England more than that,
I love Massachusetts more than that,
I love the South Shore of MA and Cape Cod more than that,
and I love my family more than any of it.
That is the way it should be.

IMO.

Posting the DD 214 was my way of saying that I am not a phoney in response to this quote.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peer
I'm not sure how you got to this conclusion, (perhaps in your mind I'm confusing condemn with condone...?)

Anyways, as Cubc eluded to, please realize that I have chosen to live here, while most of you have not. Hence, ask yourself; who of us love this country the most -- someone who's merely born here or someone who has been living all over the world but yet chose, the hard way, to live here..?!

I'm sorry, but those comments of yours remind me of this phony patriotism that I often see here. Rather than "love it or leave it" I'd say "if you really love it, why don't you also wanna improve it". Better is better... and that's why I love to live here.

-- peer

I respect your order of love although I much prefer Michigan and the beautiful shorelines of the Great Lakes.

Steve

 

[Peer]

I wouldn't say anything here that I wouldn't say to your face believe me. Just some friendly advice though, that superiority know-it-all attitude you have may get you trouble out beyond the friendly confines of Palo Alto, Stanford & SFO areas. Your located in the right place for your beliefs, lots of like minded people there. Good choice, drive on.

If this is English, I, as a foreigner, do not understand it. Sorry.

-- peer

 

[HouseMan]

If this is English, I, as a foreigner, do not understand it. Sorry.

-- peer

lol that's lame dude. <------do you understand that?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I wouldn't say anything here that I wouldn't say to your face believe me. Just some friendly advice though, that superiority know-it-all attitude you have may get you trouble out beyond the friendly confines of Palo Alto, Stanford & SFO areas. Your located in the right place for your beliefs, lots of like minded people there. Good choice, drive on.

Would not work well in East Palo Alto, CA as it was once the Murder Capitol of the U.S. on a per capita basis.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/14302220/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news



?AG Brown: East Palo Alto 'Murder Capital' No More

Results Of Crime Crackdown Announced

POSTED: 11:27 am PDT October 9, 2007
UPDATED: 6:57 pm PDT October 9, 2007

EAST PALO ALTO, Calif. -- California Attorney General Jerry Brown visited East Palo Alto Tuesday to tout a recent local and state effort to crack down on violence in the city once dubbed the murder capital of the United States.

Following an outbreak of violence that police say resulted in six homicides and 67 firearm assaults between November and January, a nine-month combined effort began between community members, police and the state Department of Justice.

The program, Project Safe Neighborhood, was aimed at curbing drug trafficking and gang violence in East Palo Alto.

According to police, the effort resulted in 250 arrests, 400 parole and probation searches, 500 gang contacts and the recovery of 45 firearms.

Along with a mobilization effort among East Palo Alto citizens the operation "put a definite dent in this crime wave," Brown said Tuesday afternoon at East Palo Alto City Hall.

"We can't let up," Brown said. "We have to keep real vigilance."

In addition to the law enforcement crackdown, community groups and police partnered in outreach efforts and a youth summit, as well as programs in conflict mediation, crisis intervention and "cease-fire" negotiations between rival gangs.

According to East Palo Alto police Chief Ronald Davis, though Project Safe Neighborhood has so far been a success, collaborative law enforcement activities will continue.

"It's not going to be a safe place for criminals in East Palo Alto," assured Mayor David Woods.

Another spike in violence will "bring whatever resources are needed," San Mateo County Sheriff Greg Munks added.

Officials were emphatic that though law enforcement plays a role, community empowerment will be key in continuing to reduce and prevent violence.

"It's not just the job of law enforcement to help us," said Faye McNair-Knox, executive director of One East Palo Alto. "A clear message" needs to be sent through the community that "we don't want violence here," she said.

"Citizen leadership really can make this program carry on, I think," Brown said.?

 

[PROG8R]

I'm not sure how you got to this conclusion, (perhaps in your mind I'm confusing condemn with condone...?)

Anyways, as Cubc eluded to, please realize that I have chosen to live here, while most of you have not. Hence, ask yourself; who of us love this country the most -- someone who's merely born here or someone who has been living all over the world but yet chose, the hard way, to live here..?!

I'm sorry, but those comments of yours remind me of this phony patriotism that I often see here. Rather than "love it or leave it" I'd say "if you really love it, why don't you also wanna improve it". Better is better... and that's why I love to live here.

-- peer

Glad you are here. Until my freshman year of college I did not have any idea what a foreigner must go through to get a green card. It was a bit humbling to fail the test that they give an outsider to get in. By the end of the semester I along with the rest of the class passed quite easily. Outside of that I think you are missing one of the points that make this place you call home so great; and that is the ability to be different and have a difference of opinion. I think you are using the wrong interpretation of our language to explain what you want to say: Just because people dont agree with a government decision or what the right way to handle a situation is doesnt mean that they are phony patriots. Political parties just dont do things the same way, I hated Bill Clinton in office, lots of people hate Bush in office. But I am willing to bet that 90% or more would be more than willing to suit up and defend this nation without question if threatened. Hell, I could not wait to get out of high school so i could join up and be the first kid in my neighborhood to be able to kill. By the time I was 17 I was in Ft. Benning. I was so damn gung-ho that I would have done anything to anyone without question at all. Dang, I have gotten way off topic here. It is easy to get someone riled up when you (god I hate to quote the movies but this is so damn good) "question the very way that your freedoms are provided". There are a few people here that are downright not patriotic; HIPPIEPOOL comes to mind right away and then there are others that you are confusing the ability to disagree with patriotism. I hope i am right here. Just trying to give you the benefit of a doubt.

 

[cubc]

But I am willing to bet that 90% or more would be more than willing to suit up and defend this nation without question if threatened.

Since it's so already off topic I'd like to add everyone knows this about USA too. That's why instead of being "threatened" we're just losing our economy, our jobs to outsourcing, our dollar value is falling, etc. Easiest way to take down a country not afraid to physically fight right?

 

[Peer]

there are others that you are confusing the ability to disagree with patriotism. I hope i am right here. Just trying to give you the benefit of a doubt.

I don't doubt for a second that someone like you really love this country, (although I can't comprehend your English). However, my hesitation was that you would question my so-called love for this country, (or perhaps even dispute that it wasn't cool that someone spit on my car that was parked outside our pool-hall).

If you wanna hang me just because I speak out about stuff that I believe is wrong, or just because I'm a Norwegian, go ahead. To me it's just a sad reminder of the insecurity among quite a few people in the US.

-- peer

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I don't doubt for a second that someone like you really love this country, (although I can't comprehend your English). However, my hesitation was that you would question my so-called love for this country, (or perhaps even dispute that it wasn't cool that someone spit on my car that was parked outside our pool-hall).

If you wanna hang me just because I speak out about stuff that I believe is wrong, or just because I'm a Norwegian, go ahead. To me it's just a sad reminder of the insecurity among quite a few people in the US.

-- peer

Peer I think you need to join the local Police Force, clean up that city were your local Pool Hall is, and right all the wrongs of the that city. But I know that you will very quickly become what what I use to call the Justice for the Criminal System.

I can believe that some person Spit on you Porsche, because they were jealous, or ? Be glad you did not come out of the local pool hall and find your Porsche was a victim to a ?key Job? where some person decided it would be cool to take a key, and scratch your paint job on your Porsche.

I am sure in the country you, call, or called home, Norway they have cops, crime, criminals, and vandalism. Or is Norway crime free country.

Like I said be happy it was only spit, as a trip to the car wash, and I am sure make your ride look like new.

 

[BrandyWine]

R.e.s.p.e.c.t.

Peer....
The translations and idioms of words are never quite clear from one language to the next. I've read many threads where people "misunderstand" each other and then it gets out of control. *Like this

I, military brat, understand the good/bad of this country. There is no "perfect" country but I do see the "superior attitude" mostly in Americans not foreigners. It is not easy to take that big step over the ocean, hats off to you.

I live in this country by choice but like it less and less each year as our G'vmt is getting out of control. (But that is a NPR item). You don't have to "love" the county, just respect it while you are here. You don't have to "love" the people, just respect them and their views. (if possible)

No matter where you live, there is always going to be good and bad; and there was no call for any "jerk" to belittle you or your car for any reason. (cute little 4 wheeler)

I could enlighten you all on the "disrespect" than men give women in pool halls. (another thread...hun?) Let's not and say we did.

For Your Enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V28z8deB5H8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEzyaibDjn4

 

[HollyWood]

Misfits

Peer you should know what I mean when I say back home you could aquire a cell phone 25. I think you did a good thing by waiting- this asshole will continue to pull this until -he gets his-remember to use the car, you don't do time that way(the throttle jammed,or was stuck-and you have insurance. Up here he's worth 7,000. in abag for the ground. that cue is conciderd assult with a deadly weapon though. have a great day your one of the good guys. mark

 

[Peer]

Somehow I missed this nugget first time around;

You're (by your own admission) a yellow-belly face-to-face, but you seem to be quite a tough-guy on the internet.

As you pointed out, I admitted on the internet that I'm a yellow-belly but then you also say that I'm a tough-guy on the internet. I wonder which one it is?

There are classes in logic, and they are kind of fun. Maybe something to think about..? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-manyvalued/

To be reasonable here, I'll clarify this for you: I'm a yellow-belly when confronted face-to-face with someone who is possibly packing a gun, but I'm not much of a yellow-belly when it comes to admitting things like this (or much anything else), whether it's on the internet or face-to-face.

Then you say:

I wouldn't have taken it out on your car though, I'd go right to the source.

So you would've spit on me..?! I wonder if that's something you just say on the internet or if that's something you would do face-to-face.

-- peer

 

[td873]

Last night when I parked outside our billiards hall, a burly brute started to go off on how much he "hated" my car and that I "must be a retard for driving this piece of shit."

Maybe you shouldn't drive a Porsche to the pool hall, or perhaps just that pool hall. If you're getting flak, or threats, you could go somewhere else or drive a different car. Just a thought.

Personally, I never have a problem at the poolhall, no matter what car I decide to show up in *knock on wood* - and my car sticks out like a sore thumb... (and it's loud)

-td

 

[SUPERSTAR]

It is truly amazing how the thread started out with talk of the haters who vandalized the car, and has somehow transformed into whether or not he loves this country cause he is a foreigner and if he deserves to be here.

How many haters are on the forums is what i want to know.
What a bunch of big time friggin losers some people are.

And along with that, you have the i love this country more then you because i served that gets thrown out there at the drop of a dime, like that is the only thing that matters when it comes to being patriotic.

Get a friggin grip.
Totally amazing how people asses their self worth.

I am better then you cause i served.
I am better then you cause i was born here.
I am better then you cause......

Peer, personally, just buy a junker to take to shady places, and keep the nicer ride for when you go to nice ride places where there is less of a chance that your car getting singled out. That's what i do.

If someone chooses to be a hater, hate them back.
Someone spits on the car, take the make and model of the vehicle, plates, and STALK IT! When they leave it unattended, destroy it in every way possible, and leave it at that.
Nothing is going to change their hate, so you might as well get some satisfaction in the process.

 

[LoGiC]

Or here's a better idea, take the insult as a compliment you were successful compared to those redneck retards and walk away a bigger man? retaliation isn't going to end well for you or them, and it will cost YOU more.

 

[yobagua]

In my area we have relations with other pool halls. Thats done through the regulars. We always welcome regulars from other pool halls. If they are looking to play we set them up with what we feel is a fair game. If road players come in we put our best guys on them and it is up front. We say this guy is our best, play him a couple of games. What this does is develop relations with a community of groups. So if we travel to a different place we usually have someone who vouches for us. Stands up for us.

We get to know everyone. The houseman, the guy who is the house table mechanic, and just establish a whole network. So if I'm in any place in the Southern Cali area I can just mention a few names and I would be welcome.
If I ever go to a strange place I usually travel with a friend. When I park I find a strategic place. One not close to other packed in cars and in a heavy lighted area. I tip well to the houseman and the server. I buy a couple guys who I meet drinks. If someone gives me static I always am contrite and try to understand their behaviour. I also am quick to use names like Brooklyn Butch or Jay Helfert or Ernesto Dominguez in passing if I feel some hostility with the hope that these guys will recognize the names and know not to mess with me, my bankroll, and my ride. Usually these names will give other people some connection to you. Something like "Yeah it is a stupid car. I had to lend Brooklyn Butch my real car. This is my quadrepalegic moms car who cant drive it anymore". The dude will usually back up and terror will fill his eyes if he knows Butch.

I dont take any attitude, challenge anybody, look at any women in a degrading manner, dont nickel and dime it, and try and be warm and open.
When this doesnt work I leave with usually the houseman covering my back after a good tip.

I never had a hard time in fact made many friends. And have played in many diverse neighborhoods from Korea Town, Latino neighborhoods, and Hollywood. Theres always going to be haters. But you have to try and stay one step ahead of them. And sometimes you can convert these essentially weak minded people into guys who are your new buddy.

 

[Fast Lenny]

It is truly amazing how the thread started out with talk of the haters who vandalized the car, and has somehow transformed into whether or not he loves this country cause he is a foreigner and if he deserves to be here.

How many haters are on the forums is what i want to know.
What a bunch of big time friggin losers some people are.

And along with that, you have the i love this country more then you because i served that gets thrown out there at the drop of a dime, like that is the only thing that matters when it comes to being patriotic.

Get a friggin grip.
Totally amazing how people asses their self worth.

I am better then you cause i served.
I am better then you cause i was born here.
I am better then you cause......

Peer, personally, just buy a junker to take to shady places, and keep the nicer ride for when you go to nice ride places where there is less of a chance that your car getting singled out. That's what i do.

If someone chooses to be a hater, hate them back.
Someone spits on the car, take the make and model of the vehicle, plates, and STALK IT! When they leave it unattended, destroy it in every way possible, and leave it at that.
Nothing is going to change their hate, so you might as well get some satisfaction in the process.

Not a bad idea or you could always learn some MMA and put a punk or 2 down,perhaps an armbar and make them cry uncle would be cool.

 

[Peer]

D?j? vu all over again...

Well, here we go again -- last night (an hour ago) as our pool-hall was closing, I realized that the alarm on my car was trigged, and sure enough, it was again assaulted -- this time not only with spit loogies but also with a few muffins that were mashed all over the seats & interior. What a class act.

-- peer

Last night when I parked outside our billiards hall, a burly brute started to go off on how much he "hated" my car and that I "must be a retard for driving this piece of shit." Since all his venom came completely unprovoked, I decided to stay cool to not provoke him any further. However, it probably got a bit awkward for him when I quietly picked up my pool cues from the trunk and followed him straight into the pool-hall -- he obviously didn't except that we would end up under the same roof and also seeing that I kind of "belonged" there.

I didn't think more about this as my practice time went about. But then, a few hours later, when I discover that the burly brute and his posse were checked out, it dawns on me that he might have done something to my car. So I run out to discover that the alarm was triggered and the car was covered with spit loogies. What a class act.

It's funny (not "ha-ha-funny" but "strange-funny") that envy, or whatever it is, can drive certain people to act like this, unprovoked. Hopefully he didn't also key the car -- tomorrow's daylight will tell.