I have a question that is begging to be answered?

So, you can design your own pool table, and they'll build it for you?

I'm not sure if they'll build anything that someone hands them but last time I was in their shop they were building a one of a kind table.

Their shop is vastly downsized from the Sidney St. Location but its a nice little shop. I'm guessing they have some or maybe a majority of parts made elsewhere and this shop is for custom builds and restoration work.

I think its a shame they aren't in the commercial grade table business anymore, but I'm sure they'll build anything they have prints for. The "Colossus" was a nice heavy table. The "Regal" is almost the same table (looks wise) as the Brunswick Regal. Wonder how they get away with that. Whose design is it? Sorry for the derailment.
 
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So let me get this straight......you are running low on work and need to make some money, but you refuse to work on tables that aren't high end and up to your standards.

Oh and by they way....nice job on coming on the largest Billiard site in the world and talking down to some of your future customers because they don't have the money to buy a higher quality table. That's an excellent business plan if you ask me. You'll be pushing carts at Wal-Mart soon.

Can we vote to see if your an idiot? You don't think glen is one of the best in the world? Are you new here? You posted some stupid comment in the action section too. Pull you head out your ass and go play some pool. Quit being a badass from behind a computer. Have a issue call me!
 
Easy. A cue is far easier to sell. Nobody collects tables. While there are people that own hundreds of cues. A table is far easier to move and a lot harder to get rid of. I have known several people that moved and gave the table to the new owners cause they couldn't get rid of it. As important as tables are, they are closings money everyday. Costs of upkeep and the market is so bad for selling used tables, I bet you lose half of what you paid.
 
Easy. A cue is far easier to sell. Nobody collects tables. While there are people that own hundreds of cues. A table is far easier to move and a lot harder to get rid of. I have known several people that moved and gave the table to the new owners cause they couldn't get rid of it. As important as tables are, they are closings money everyday. Costs of upkeep and the market is so bad for selling used tables, I bet you lose half of what you paid.

When i was starting to play, i bought a really bad bar table. I arranged to have it picked up be a charity when i moved and they didn't even bother showing up. Fortunately, the new renter was fine with having it in the garage. On the flip side, a diamond is a bit to buy, but if i had the cash, i'd snap em up for $3k each when they appear. Look at it like a golden tee or something. The good stuff resales for much more. I hooked up a lot of diamonds and im almost sold out before moving a single one. Think any other table can do that?
 
Well the AE Schmidt guy never got back to me on updated pricing so pffft to him. Here is the updated Olhausen pricing given to me today and probably the route we are going to go. I am going to see if I can get a discount on this though as it is higher than I expected and at the top range of their budget.


Belmont table 7' or 8'= $2495.00
Light hanging above table is a cha-b56-cn = $599.95
We cant get another one from this company so this is the only one.
Floor rack price $64.95 - $104.00 Depending on rack style
860 Simonis cloth = $220.00 -$273.00 depending on table size.
Vinyl cover = $74.95

All accessories & setup/delivery come with the table.
Includes: Standard set of Aramith balls,Triangle,Box of Master chalk,Scuffer,Brush,Rule book,Bridge head,& 5 Assorted Bar cues.

We can include choice of floor rack or fitted cover @ no charge.

Total would be $3442.90 + tax
 
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What MDF board?

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There is a stock pile of -Oriented Strand Board ‑ OSB in the background and one board on deck....


I'm sorry, I meant to write OSB and the damn smart phone remembered the MDF 3 letter word and corrected it before I realized.
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:angry: red felt! We will have tournament blue simonis 860 I believe as the felt on their table. They are pretty much leaving it up to us to pick the table out within their budget. Like I said around here in Des Moines the only options are Muellers which is so far in the lead with an Olhausen table, Homemakers (lol Heritage crap table), Decked Outside which is the AE Schmidt rep in town and still waiting on their final pricing, and that spa overpriced place that we could get a Crown table for over the budget price. They are in their 70s and don't give a hoot on the table really as long as it looks decent. My wife and I care more for the quality so we can play on it. I will try to remember to post pictures after we get it.

It sounds like they really just want a piece of furniture to match the window seat or some such existing feature, and it being a pool table is a slightly distasteful secondary requirement.

I suggest they should buy a new (or tournament used) Diamond 7-foot Pro Am, perhaps even on the "No Excuses" payment plan. The full retail cost ($4k-4.5K tourney used?) is well over budget, but maybe not, when you look at either the payments they actually will make, or at their total investment less final resale value.

With the actuarial lifespan of men and women somewhere in the late 70s, in the old folk's life time the total of their payments could be less than their $3000 budget. If it is more than $3000, they can look to recover that extra cost when the table is sold - because at some point they will move to assisted living, or pass on, or encounter some other event that forces them to move out of that house. When that happens, suddenly the resale value of a barely-used 7 foot Diamond (Only used at Christmas and Easter when the kids visited!) comes into play, and it should be plenty enough to pay off any existing balance, and still have enough dough left over to get the total investment well under $3000.

And they get a brand new Diamond table, with choice of colors! On a No Excuses Payment Plan maybe! And the installer might be RealKingCobra, or one of his excellent trainees!

Why should they buy a 7-foot new Diamond Pro Am? It is a given that any Diamond Pro Am is a better table than anything other a GC custom modded by an expert.

But for this old couple, smaller is better: it is obvious they really don't want a pool table in the first place, they want a piece of furniture acceptable to their idea of what a pool table should look like. I doubt they have any idea how huge a 9-footer or even an 8 footer is when set up in any room in the house and accompanied by a couple of pool chairs and a cue & ball rack. It overpowers any room less than about 30'x30'.

But a 7 footer is small enough to not over power a room, assuing the room is big enough for a pool table in the first place. 7-footer space requirements are such that it could even be set off-center in some big rooms, a real fung shui consideration. A 7 foot pool table is just right for non-pros and for those who only occasionally play the game. It is small enough so they can make lots of balls, and with the good Diamond playability built in, the table will not make it harder than necessary for the kids and grand-kids to pocket balls. Just make sure the installer does not tighten up the pockets, the kids will he happy to make balls in the normal factory size pockets.

Last but not least - a Diamond Pro Am is a really great looking piece of furniture! And with such a wide selection of colors of Dymondwood mom is sure to find something to match the drapes and carpet already in the room!

But... and this is a big but... if you are trying to get a great 9-ft. pool table so you can play the game in their home but at their expense, and if you are not able or willing to make up any cost difference, then come to grips with the facts of life - you just can't do the job with only $3000 to spend, I mean get what is commonly recognized as a "good" 8 or 9 foot pool table, which at the same time is also a piece of brand-new furniture handsome enough to satisfy a 70 year old lady who no doubt has a certain sense of what fits into her home, thank you very much, and a 1970's era Gold Crown simply won't work, dear son, no matter how cleverly your fellow repainted it.
 
It sounds like they really just want a piece of furniture to match the window seat or some such existing feature, and it being a pool table is a slightly distasteful secondary requirement.

I suggest they should buy a new (or tournament used) Diamond 7-foot Pro Am, perhaps even on the "No Excuses" payment plan. The full retail cost ($4k-4.5K tourney used?) is well over budget, but maybe not, when you look at either the payments they actually will make, or at their total investment less final resale value.

With the actuarial lifespan of men and women somewhere in the late 70s, in the old folk's life time the total of their payments could be less than their $3000 budget. If it is more than $3000, they can look to recover that extra cost when the table is sold - because at some point they will move to assisted living, or pass on, or encounter some other event that forces them to move out of that house. When that happens, suddenly the resale value of a barely-used 7 foot Diamond (Only used at Christmas and Easter when the kids visited!) comes into play, and it should be plenty enough to pay off any existing balance, and still have enough dough left over to get the total investment well under $3000.

And they get a brand new Diamond table, with choice of colors! On a No Excuses Payment Plan maybe! And the installer might be RealKingCobra, or one of his excellent trainees!

Why should they buy a 7-foot new Diamond Pro Am? It is a given that any Diamond Pro Am is a better table than anything other a GC custom modded by an expert.

But for this old couple, smaller is better: it is obvious they really don't want a pool table in the first place, they want a piece of furniture acceptable to their idea of what a pool table should look like. I doubt they have any idea how huge a 9-footer or even an 8 footer is when set up in any room in the house and accompanied by a couple of pool chairs and a cue & ball rack. It overpowers any room less than about 30'x30'.

But a 7 footer is small enough to not over power a room, assuing the room is big enough for a pool table in the first place. 7-footer space requirements are such that it could even be set off-center in some big rooms, a real fung shui consideration. A 7 foot pool table is just right for non-pros and for those who only occasionally play the game. It is small enough so they can make lots of balls, and with the good Diamond playability built in, the table will not make it harder than necessary for the kids and grand-kids to pocket balls. Just make sure the installer does not tighten up the pockets, the kids will he happy to make balls in the normal factory size pockets.

Last but not least - a Diamond Pro Am is a really great looking piece of furniture! And with such a wide selection of colors of Dymondwood mom is sure to find something to match the drapes and carpet already in the room!

But... and this is a big but... if you are trying to get a great 9-ft. pool table so you can play the game in their home but at their expense, and if you are not able or willing to make up any cost difference, then come to grips with the facts of life - you just can't do the job with only $3000 to spend, I mean get what is commonly recognized as a "good" 8 or 9 foot pool table, which at the same time is also a piece of brand-new furniture handsome enough to satisfy a 70 year old lady who no doubt has a certain sense of what fits into her home, thank you very much, and a 1970's era Gold Crown simply won't work, dear son, no matter how cleverly your fellow repainted it.

But, I have to add that the Diamond "no excuse program" is only available to commercial sales:o
 
Texdance thanks for the post. Her parents could literally care less for the most part about some of that stuff you mentioned. They want a new pool table within their budget that their daughter (my wife) and myself will come over to play pool on it. There is a chance they will never pick up a cue after they buy it to play on it. They liked the look of the Belmont and that lamp...I may talk them out of the lamp since $600 is some coin and that puts them on the high end of their budget. The Olhausen tables with simonis 860 felt should be fine. I'm a huge diamond table fan, but with buying "new" there is no shot in their budget for that with all the startup items plus delivery...they don't need a Diamond table and we won't be over there enough for me to talk them into upping their budget.
 
1 thing I forgot to mention was I got an initial email from A.E. Schmidt with basic information about where they start their pricing at. I replied giving him much more detail so he could quote a couple of tables for us and told him to let us know if he needed more information to get these quotes done. This email was sent 5/4. 8 days later I had not heard from him so either they were too busy or he thought I was blowing smoke and not really interested even though my email is fairly detailed on what I wanted.

I sent a follow up email 5/12 telling him to disregard pricing since we hadn't heard from him. I know people get busy to which it is very easy to send a one line email saying you will get back to us by X date or even just to mention you are busy. I work in sales and customer service is one my main things I pride myself in take care of...oh well, potential sale lost on their end but no big deal...just more of an fyi on the customer service I received.
 
Yes, it's true, I can polish a turd to be nice and shiny, but never the less, it's still a turd in my book, and taking someone's money to polish a turd just don't sit well in my book, which is why I pass on the jobs. Besides that, in the time it takes to polish a turd, my time is better spent working on the next table on the list, instead of delaying the start time by trying to fix something that is, or at least should be considered disposable once it's useful purpose has been served.

He is little bit overreacting but he got point.
I've done some table mechanics and there is 1 common table trademark what I refuse to do. I did those couple times but they were shitty for playing. No matter what I did try they were pretty shitty still. So I refused that company jobs.
 
Texdance thanks for the post. Her parents could literally care less for the most part about some of that stuff you mentioned. They want a new pool table within their budget that their daughter (my wife) and myself will come over to play pool on it. There is a chance they will never pick up a cue after they buy it to play on it. They liked the look of the Belmont and that lamp...I may talk them out of the lamp since $600 is some coin and that puts them on the high end of their budget. The Olhausen tables with simonis 860 felt should be fine. I'm a huge diamond table fan, but with buying "new" there is no shot in their budget for that with all the startup items plus delivery...they don't need a Diamond table and we won't be over there enough for me to talk them into upping their budget.

I think I understand their desires better now, and I can see why they don't want to look into the purchase as a pool player might look at it. Interesting situation - some seller will profit from it, and a pool table will sit unused most of the time, and all parties will be satisfied.

Best of luck with your table-buying project, I can see it is both difficult and easy due to your lack of choices of new tables and being out there where shipping costs can make a big difference.
 
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