Just "playing" around with stuff on your lathe you will learn a lot on your own. It will also create more questions so if you do talk to professionals as RMS suggests you will know which questions to ask.
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Just "playing" around with stuff on your lathe you will learn a lot on your own. It will also create more questions so if you do talk to professionals as RMS suggests you will know which questions to ask.
Ok,
1) How a person, any person, can hold a material in their hand and not recognize it as a plastic or not seems impossible to me.
2) If Delrin is the better choice for a collet, then why has Hardinge, the last word in collets, offered a Nylon collet since the 50's and not a Delrin collet?
3) Now you have switched over to a "low coefficient of friction" argument.
"Why on earth would anyone want a lower coefficient of friction in a collet?"
A collet is a work holding devise. It's purpose is to "grip" the work piece.
"Not" to allow the workpiece to "Spin easier"
If you want to throw low coefficient of friction into the mix, why not suggest PTFE, (Teflon)?
It holds the record for low coefficient of friction.
4) I am in my 41st year as a precision machinist, precision grinder, and toolmaker.
"In my entire life I have not attended a single baseball, basketball, football, hockey, or any similar event."
All of these years I have spent focused on my trade
If I had $10 for every time an engineer has called me for advise I could easily buy a new mid priced car and pay cash for it.
For over 20 years they have the internet as a source for information, why have the calls not even slowed down?
Answer, there is no substitute for experience, actual hands on experience.
5) I am on the West Coast, not Muddy Gut Kentucky, or Ham Bone Arizona.
This is, and has been, ground zero for aircraft and aerospace manufacturing.
My father worked for Lockheed Aircraft for 46 years.
Just growing up in my home I was surrounded, yes soaked, in aircraft and aerospace manufacturing.
There was a day, not so long ago, that you could drive down "any" street in my area, pick a house at random, and ask if you could use their welder.
The person answering the door would ask in return, "gas or electric".
What are you working on son?
>My Go-kart
Paul across the street has a mill and a lathe if you need to machine anything.
So does the guy three houses down.
The guy here on the left is an electronics engineer.
Here on the right that guy is and aerospace engineer.
> Thanks mister.
"Any street in my area"
6) Of the 40 plus years I have been in the trade, six years in school that I am not counting, over 30 of those years I have had my own shop.
The replacement cost of "just" my inspection equipment and instruments is enough to trade straight up for a home.
All of it Swiss, German, and US manufacture. Mostly Swiss and German.
7) A satellite passes over head, fair chance it has a part I made on it.
The launch vehicle, "Very Good" chance it has one of my parts on it.
8) You used "Wiki" as a reference source?
Wiki's data is open to contributors, going straight to the manufacturers, or engineering and applications sources is a much more accurate source of information.
9) Odds are more than a billion to one you can't match my experience and expertise in manufacturing.
I base that on your two posts.
10) "When you hear hoof beats, don't think of zebras"
The simplest solution is usually the right one.
11) Nylon cost less, is more readily available, and better for the application in this case.
It is the choice of industry for all the reasons I have pointed out.
I didn't post all this stuff just to brag about my background.
It's not bragging if it's straight out fact.
I posted it to give you an idea of the experience of the person that is giving advise on this subject.
At age 10 my daughter was running a mill, a lathe, an O.D. grinder, an I.D. grinder, a surface grinder, and a hone.
As well as the standard support equipment, doing precision inspection,
and critical deburring.
She since attended a trade school and is a certified welder.
What were you doing at age 10?
As well as the standard support equipment, doing precision inspection,
and critical deburring.
She since attended a trade school and is a certified welder.
What were you doing at age 10?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=292315
you can make something like this for your steady rest
you can make something like this for your steady rest
Except - every cuemaker south of the North Pole has one of the Chinese lathes in his shop.
Just as every cuemaker with a brain cell has a wood lathe... or 3.
You are correct in pointing out that trying to build cues on one would require much more than it would be worth.
But he doesn't want to build cues<insert standard how could you have failed to understand inquiry here>
Dale
If that is true, it's nothing short of a horrible disservice to the fine craftsmen, artist really, that produce work that is nothing less than phenomenal.
Their work is up to, and steps on the definition of "perfect".
I didn't, even the basic operations he wants to carry out require special tooling and modifications.
And in the end, a cobbled together unit that falls short in more than one way.
I gave him sound advise.
Ok, you asked for it.
Look at the world around you.
Now take machinist out of the equation.
You "Literally" would not have a pot to piss in if it were not for me and my kind.
Yes were talking grass skirts and mud huts.
The guys who keep shoveling money to the chinese for their poorly made, wear out to soon, chintzy junk are doing a disservice to our entire country.
Am I rich? "Hell No"
But I have gone without, I am talking about going without medical attention, dental visits, I've skipped meals,
sold precious possessions, slept on the floor of my shop with the oil and chips, no wife, no girlfriend,
not even a dog, so that I could buy "quality" machines, tools, and tooling.
And yes, I have met many times, the clowns standing there with a beer in one hand cigarette in the other,
100 pounds over weight, claiming they can only afford cheap imports.
"Baloney!"
They just take the easy way out, then moan and complain that what they bought is a piece of junk.
Usually it's because they called me to repair something that I wouldn't even take the time to throw in a lake.
This country is about 200 years old. One of the youngest on the planet.
The so called "cradle of civilization" , the middle East, is ten's of thousands years old.
By comparison they should be flying around in flying saucers at this point in time.
Instead they are often poking at a donkey to move him down the road.
This is America, we have produced some of the finest machinery in history here, right here.
If I listed all that we have innovated my keyboard would melt down.
Like I said, look around you.
It would be grass skirts and mud huts.
Here is where you say, "but engineers.....
And here is where I say, "anything works on paper"
Until it's brought into the physical world, and set down on the granite plate, it's just a concept.
If I had a penny for every engineer that actually made some chips I would have very few pennies indeed.
So the next time you pick up your keys, give a second to think, "who is responsible for these?"
A banker?, a lawyer?, a doctor?, a loan officer?, a plumber?, and electrician?, a construction worker?, a block mason?........
It was me and my kind. And that goes for what they fit as well.
Come Thanksgiving, when you make travel arrangements on your computer, double check your smart phone,
get in your car, drive down a paved road, get to the airport and board your plane to visit grandma.......
Maybe a little thanks are in order to the guys that are "The most taken for granted guys on earth"
The guys that made all these things possible.
Don't want to give thanks.......
Move to West Africa, put on a grass skirt and build a mud hut by hand.
You would still have to give thanks for getting there.
Unless you plan to swim there buck naked.
Maybe you, and people like you, should consider to just sit down remain quiet, and be thankful for the world around you.
Old saying:
"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity"
I've won quite a few.
What have you done lately?
9andout, you're a good man.
And yes, I'm a Ford guy too.
I have a 57' F100, a 59' F100 panel, and a 59' F100 factory 4X4.
Lord knows why I said Camaro, I guess I was trying to relate to those other guys.
LOL
"What have you done lately? "
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Do you mean besides understand there is a place for Mini Lathes in cue shops...
Mostly I've learned to recognize delusional. attention whore fanatics.
I humbly suggest you hock your least necessary machine tool and invest the proceeds in analysis.
Dale
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I bought my Enco mini lathe 8 years before I went thru machine shop school.
It's completely paid for itself 100 fold.
With the rights hands on it and a few accessories,it's MORE than enough for tip and ferrule work,and with a little more work and tooling,it could do wraps and shaft work as well. It can also HURT you.
You can also make your own pins,bumpers,etc,with some know-how and guidance too. Experiment with it SAFELY and get back to us
. Tommy D.
It's completely paid for itself 100 fold.
With the rights hands on it and a few accessories,it's MORE than enough for tip and ferrule work,and with a little more work and tooling,it could do wraps and shaft work as well. It can also HURT you.
You can also make your own pins,bumpers,etc,with some know-how and guidance too. Experiment with it SAFELY and get back to us
. Tommy D.You have jumped the gun
While RMS may know machinery...
He doesn't know what really makes the world go around: sex.
He doesn't know what really makes the world go around: sex.
Lathes
My first lathe was a small bore spindled cue man billiards with a a/c motor .
It wasn't much but I have made allot of things with that lathe and have been doing bar cues for about 9 years now.
600 bar cues per year times 9 years is 4500 hundred cues times 6 bucks for re tipping them = 27,000 $
I paid 500.00 for the lathe and about 700.00 for the tips and 400.00 the cost of glue and sand paper.
For less then a 2000.00 investment I would say the lathe has well earned its keep.
That is not including all the two piece cues I have re tipped.
Now I have 3 taig based lathes and the company that I worked for the owner died and left everything to his son who I worked with every day.
The son doesn't want or doesn't need to work and doesn't care to do allot of machining in the fully equipped machine shop.
3 lathes 2 forty inch south bends and one new lathe that I don't remember the name of buts its 80 inches between centers.
The son tossed me the keys to the machine shop :thumbup:
And said use it as much as I want ..............
I bought my Enco mini lathe 8 years before I went thru machine shop school.
It's completely paid for itself 100 fold.
With the rights hands on it and a few accessories,it's MORE than enough for tip and ferrule work,and with a little more work and tooling,it could do wraps and shaft work as well. It can also HURT you.
You can also make your own pins,bumpers,etc,with some know-how and guidance too. Experiment with it SAFELY and get back to us
My first lathe was a small bore spindled cue man billiards with a a/c motor .
It wasn't much but I have made allot of things with that lathe and have been doing bar cues for about 9 years now.
600 bar cues per year times 9 years is 4500 hundred cues times 6 bucks for re tipping them = 27,000 $
I paid 500.00 for the lathe and about 700.00 for the tips and 400.00 the cost of glue and sand paper.
For less then a 2000.00 investment I would say the lathe has well earned its keep.
That is not including all the two piece cues I have re tipped.
Now I have 3 taig based lathes and the company that I worked for the owner died and left everything to his son who I worked with every day.
The son doesn't want or doesn't need to work and doesn't care to do allot of machining in the fully equipped machine shop.
3 lathes 2 forty inch south bends and one new lathe that I don't remember the name of buts its 80 inches between centers.
The son tossed me the keys to the machine shop :thumbup:
And said use it as much as I want ..............
Wow!! That is a sweet deal you got there!!! Consider yourself fortunate.
Lathe
I really didn't have the money for the 500.00 lathe and had to make the lathe pay for itself. in the first 3 weeks of owning it.
I had one bar owner give me about 200 bar cues that needed to have new tips put on.
Now I will go to bars in my travels and exchange out the bar cues.
But I had to find the work, I hit up every bar that I seen asking the owners or managers if they wanted their bar cues re tipped ..
It wouldn't of happened if I wouldn't of gone into each bar and apply myself and made the sale .
Mike Massey has one of my Pocket chalkers
I am pretty proud of all the things these little lathe will do .
I really didn't have the money for the 500.00 lathe and had to make the lathe pay for itself. in the first 3 weeks of owning it.
I had one bar owner give me about 200 bar cues that needed to have new tips put on.
Now I will go to bars in my travels and exchange out the bar cues.
But I had to find the work, I hit up every bar that I seen asking the owners or managers if they wanted their bar cues re tipped ..
It wouldn't of happened if I wouldn't of gone into each bar and apply myself and made the sale .
Mike Massey has one of my Pocket chalkers
I am pretty proud of all the things these little lathe will do .
littlewing1208
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Wow....
Mr. Root mean square (emphasis on the square) comes in to a very innocent thread and responds to a rather innocent post (that really wasn't particularly pertinent to the original question) with a phallus measuring contest post (insecure much?).
On a whim, I checked his post history. It explains a lot.
Mr. Root mean square (emphasis on the square) comes in to a very innocent thread and responds to a rather innocent post (that really wasn't particularly pertinent to the original question) with a phallus measuring contest post (insecure much?).
On a whim, I checked his post history. It explains a lot.