I just was given a response that amazed me.

[BRKNRUN]

The Boycott IDEA was aimed at Anheisher-Bush that products are in ALMOST ever Pool Room/Pool Bar, and I see little support of Pool by the Anheisher-Bush in the Valley of the Sun.




Add to that METRO SPORTS BAR but I have never seen or head of an exhibitions at Metro Sports Bar.

What is the difference???....There is a pool room owner responsible for marketing in every pool room bar that players go to play pool...


I consider Metro one notch below the other rooms mentioned (IMO)......

However they too are making strides as of recent days......you must have had your eyes and ears closed...Metro was the host room for the second chance tournament for the recent UPA event that drew many top players in the world......Because of that Efren spent some time in that room (prior to the event)......and there were some farily significant names in pool that played in the second chance event....Do you think there was any chance a few "extra" people showed up at Metro prior and during the hosted event?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I consider Metro one notch below the other rooms mentioned (IMO)......

However they too are making strides as of recent days......you must have had your eyes and ears closed...Metro was the host room for the second chance tournament for the recent UPA event that drew many top players in the world......Because of that Efren spent some time in that room (prior to the event)......and there were some farily significant names in pool that played in the second chance event....Do you think there was any chance a few "extra" people showed up at Metro prior and during the hosted event?

I really have no idea as to what went one during the time of the Shootout, or Second Chance as I never made it to Tempe, and did shoot by Metro the Sunday of the Second Chance only to find out the event was finished on Saturday because of a small field. BUMMER.

Metro Sports Bar is currently the only place in the Valley to my knowledge that has a Pool Tournaments of some type 7 nights a week.

They offer both Bar Box Tournaments, and Big Table Tournaments and that is a good thing IMHO.

I personally have not been to Main Street in Mesa in over a year or longer, so I can not comment on what is new or happening there after all that construction in the street.

As far as Kolby?s I think it has been maybe six month or more since I have been there so again I can not comment on what is new or happening there.

Think this thread has been

, and maybe we should get back to the pros and cons of Pool Room Owner giving Mark what it is he seeks to do his Schools, and Demo in their rooms.

Maybe Scott Lee will chime in and tell us if he got FREE USE of Six Shooters in Phoenix when he did his (2) Day School recently, or if Six Shooters got financial reimbursement for use of their facilities during the LEE School????

 

[Koop]

I am not sure if this is just mne or if the man I just spoke to is crazy.
As most of you know I am putting together the Legends and Champions tour with Johnny Archer and Earl Strickland. I was given a pool room name and number that may be interested as they go to that room and said it was nice.
I called and got to speak to the owner and told him that we would be doing a pool school in the afternoon and an exhibition in the evening. He asked "whats in it for me?" then "what do you want from me?" I began to explain, "we will need the use of 4 of your tables at no charge" that is as far as I got, he said "no way, I will lose $$$ in table time if I let Johnny and Earl take then over for a few hours" I asked, "Do you know who they are??" he said yes but he wasn't going to lose that table time.
I mean lets just say that you are a pool room owner and all I am asking is free table time for Johnny and Earl to do a pool school and Exhibition in your room would you think that was a losing deal?? I just don't get it, maybe it's just me.

I don't think he was crazy at all. I wish you the best but I have to say, if it were my room, I wouldn't jump at this either. I may do it but it wouldn't be a slam dunk. Mainly because it looks like you guys are making money on his equipment and nothing is coming his way. Unless of course he wants to work his butt off in advance to try and break even. I'm probably in the minority but this doesn't look appealing to me in the owners shoes.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I don't think he was crazy at all. I wish you the best but I have to say, if it were my room, I wouldn't jump at this either. I may do it but it wouldn't be a slam dunk. Mainly because it looks like you guys are making money on his equipment and nothing is coming his way. Unless of course he wants to work his butt off in advance to try and break even. I'm probably in the minority but this doesn't look appealing to me in the owners shoes.

 

[ShootingArts]

good businessmen

Jaden,

85% of small businesses fail within five years of start-up so anytime you see a room owner that has been there over five years he is automatically one of the elite few, by definition a good businessman. You grabbed a bunch of numbers out of thin air but that is all that you did. How many people are you going to get to come watch between eleven and three as in your example? What is the competition for their attention during that timeframe? Most importantly, according to bfdlad the benefits would come five or six months down the road. That is simply false. You either get very immediate results from a one time promotion, within three weeks, or the results didn't come from that promotion.

I wish bfdlad and his guys luck but from what I have read on this thread his approach is weak and he doesn't offer a well put together package. He supplies two players, and he takes a cut. The room owner is expected to do everything else. Truth be told any room owner that wants to put on an event can contact two players himself, do all the work, and not give anyone else a cut. What is more, he can do his own negotiating with the players, probably to his advantage. Simple fact is that the room owner can bring in any of the at least moderately attractive women that appear in TV matches alone and draw better than Johnny and Earl together will draw most places.

There are 14001 members of this site as I started typing this. Why don't those that want to give something back to pool each send bfdlad $50 to split between him, Johnny and Earl. That is a whole lot less than most want room owners to give and if even 10% participate that is a $70,000 payout for Earl and Johnny before bfdlad's cut. I challenge all of the people that think that others should give back something to pool to give something back yourselves!

I'll take the under on two percent of posters stepping forward in this thread or any someone else starts within the next 48 hours and following through with their pledges within two weeks. The window is open until I've got $500 bet; yankee dollars not V-Cash. It's the safest $500 I have ever offered.

Hu

Ok let's do some math here. If you have to give up four tables for four hours. Let's say the maximum you can make on those four tables is 8 dollars an hour, ok. That would be $32 an hour x 4 hours would be $128 dollars. That is a best case scenario for the room owner. In all actuality it is unlikely he would lose any of that money if it's being done between 11:00-3:00 because I have rarely seen poolhalls even half filled during those hours. So if he dismissed it out of hand without even qualifying how it would go down or when etc..., I don't care what his clientele is, that is bad business.

Ok so if it brings in even 10 people, you can expect that atleast half of those people would want to get lunch during that time frame, so you can expect atleast half of the money to be returned immediately with ten people showing up, if you also get the hard core players in your room aware of what will be going down and get them to try adn bring in people, (a little advertising with some flyers etc.) it costs you another ten dollars in printing costs, or you can ask for flyers to be provided by the guy holding it, if you get 30 people in there that wouldn't have been there on that day you can expect several things, one not only the recoup of the lost table time, but you can expect a profit just from food and beverage sales and then players will want to play or practice some of watching or participating in the event, Hell, you can even hold a tournament the night of after the exhibitionand get the people to stay even longer.

The questions I would have as a business owner given the prospect of this are; what time of day and what day of the week would you be planning this? Are you going to be charging the clientele for this exhibition/pool school and or for just the pool school but the exhibitions will be open to anyone? What order will they be given in? Could we possibly work something out so that you give the clientele a chance to play a game with them or set aside some time for the clientele to pay 5 or 10 a game to "play a champion" and have some of that money go to the house?

The thing here is that not qualifying what would be going down and or negotiating a chance like this is just bad business regardless of where you are. One problem with a lot of poolrooms is that the owners aren't necesarily good business men. They either just have a love for pool or want a bar and use pool tables to give their patrons something to do.

There's my .02 cents

 

[bfdlad]

I don't think he was crazy at all. I wish you the best but I have to say, if it were my room, I wouldn't jump at this either. I may do it but it wouldn't be a slam dunk. Mainly because it looks like you guys are making money on his equipment and nothing is coming his way. Unless of course he wants to work his butt off in advance to try and break even. I'm probably in the minority but this doesn't look appealing to me in the owners shoes.

thats maybe because you don't know all the info and obviously do not have the vision of potentioal that others do.

 

[Harold Smith]

I don't see anything wrong that the owner said. Like someone else said your charging for the school. What your asking for is a free place to make your money. What time were you going to do this school? He may have had to bring in extra help for the hours you wanted. He also has to run the A/C for that time frame that he may not have done otherwise.He is in the business to make money just like you. Are Earl and Johnny giving their time for free.---Smitty

 

[HIRUN526]

I am not sure if this is just mne or if the man I just spoke to is crazy.
As most of you know I am putting together the Legends and Champions tour with Johnny Archer and Earl Strickland. I was given a pool room name and number that may be interested as they go to that room and said it was nice.
I called and got to speak to the owner and told him that we would be doing a pool school in the afternoon and an exhibition in the evening. He asked "whats in it for me?" then "what do you want from me?" I began to explain, "we will need the use of 4 of your tables at no charge" that is as far as I got, he said "no way, I will lose $$$ in table time if I let Johnny and Earl take then over for a few hours" I asked, "Do you know who they are??" he said yes but he wasn't going to lose that table time.
I mean lets just say that you are a pool room owner and all I am asking is free table time for Johnny and Earl to do a pool school and Exhibition in your room would you think that was a losing deal?? I just don't get it, maybe it's just me.

There are some room owners that will jump at the opportunity and others that say no thanks.

You are running a pool school/exhibition buisness and as such you may want to consider giving a little in the hope of attracting more room owners in inviting you into their pool rooms.

In reality most bars and pool rooms about 99% of the customers do not care about Johnny.Earl or any pro players, most don't know who they are and don't care.. They are there to drink a little, shoot a little and hang out and raise a little hell.

For most room owners this is a valuable condsideration in making their decision on giving up time,labor and known income for your buisness desire to hold a function in their rooms. For most room owners it's probably a loser..........unless you can give them something tangible like income.

If you believe you have a winning concept put your best foot forward and offer the room owner some cash up front and maybe a little piece of the profit. And if your pool school is successful and the room owner can make a few dollars you won't have any problems finding other rooms and most important repeat room owners giving you a place do do your thing.

In life and buisness don't be afraid to give a little for an opportunity to succeed. Don't be penny wise and dollar foolish.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I don't see anything wrong that the owner said. Like someone else said your charging for the school. What your asking for is a free place to make your money. What time were you going to do this school? He may have had to bring in extra help for the hours you wanted. He also has to run the A/C for that time frame that he may not have done otherwise.He is in the business to make money just like you. Are Earl and Johnny giving their time for free.---Smitty

Great reply everyone should share in the money. You are 110% right about "He also has to run the A/C", and Water, Phoune, Electric, Insurance, and and and and all those things that add up to what is cost daily to open the doors.

 

[cuesblues]

Texas Hold-em

Sounds like another classic example of a "bar owner" that has pool tables instead of a "poolroom owner" that has a bar. Its the same way in my home town. They would rather host free Texas Hold em than to have a weekly pool tourney. Its sad, but thats why they usually close. JMO.

Southpaw

We had the same thing in a local bar where we played leagues and local tournaments out of. They were going to kick out the pool leagues because of
Texas Hold-em. When they realized that the poker players don't drink, they started charging for water. There were so many arguments about it, they kicked out the poker, and added more pool tables. Then he went out of business. The important thing about a neighborhood bar is that people don't like change. You can't take one over and try to turn it into a yuppie bar.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

We had the same thing in a local bar where we played leagues and local tournaments out of. They were going to kick out the pool leagues because of
Texas Hold-em. When they realized that the poker players don't drink, they started charging for water. There were so many arguments about it, they kicked out the poker, and added more pool tables. Then he went out of business. The important thing about a neighborhood bar is that people don't like change. You can't take one over and try to turn it into a yuppie bar.

That is a good story, and you are correct about the Poker Player not drinking. One of our Bar Room with 5 Table was doing Texas hold Em for a while, until they realized it was running in the RED for them. Big crowd of Poker player, who spent little.

 

[Rick S.]

I was surprised walking into JOB's in Nashville.

He has poker leagues in there a couple nights a week. They convert the pooltables to cardtables. THESE guys drank....shot after shot. At least the table I was watching....

Some do, some don't. Same with pool leagues....

 

[klockdoc]

The thing is I don't need him.

Evidently you do, otherwise, why the thread questioning his response?

 

[PALMERJOHN]

That's because Mickey, your the best Houseman who ever was !
J.D.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I was surprised walking into JOB's in Nashville.

He has poker leagues in there a couple nights a week. They convert the pooltables to cardtables. THESE guys drank....shot after shot. At least the table I was watching....

Some do, some don't. Same with pool leagues....

Well Rick I would think that you would agree that most of the better players do not consume the amount of alcohol per person, that shall we say the recreational players consume.

Or am I way off on that statement?

 

[vagabond]

I was surprised walking into JOB's in Nashville.

He has poker leagues in there a couple nights a week. They convert the pooltables to cardtables. THESE guys drank....shot after shot. At least the table I was watching....

Some do, some don't. Same with pool leagues....

In general more alcohol is consumed in the southern states.

 

[BRKNRUN]

Well Rick I would think that you would agree that most of the better players do not consume the amount of alcohol per person, that shall we say the recreational players consume.
Or am I way off on that statement?

I would say that is a myth....Please provide any factual statistics on this.

I have seen many top players that consume more than the bangers. I have seen bangers that consome more than some top players.

Heck there are top players that use beer drinking as part of thier hustle...

 

[Koop]

thats maybe because you don't know all the info and obviously do not have the vision of potentioal that others do.

Sorry for voicing my opinion. I'll be sure to ignore your posts from now on.

 

[Roger Long]

This whole scenario with a pool room owner not being even the slightest bit interested in having two top professionals visit his place, might be an indicator as to the level of respect that the general public gives to professional pool today.

 

[smashmouth]

We have a number of rooms that are not only giving the tables but not charging us for food and drink while we are there, paying the exhibition fee and travel expenses to get them there

I highly doubt that, which rooms?