I know nothing about cues - help me understand

pdcue said:
For a guy who started out saying "I know nothing about cues",
you seem to be pretty critical of people who do.

Dale<who knows something about trolls>
Watchez hasn't posted here since 1:30 am Wed morning, but he has been on the forum and posting elsewhere, so we must have 'helped' him to understand.....either that or he's busy ordering wood, tomatoes, and machinery:D
Dave
 
Dave38 said:
Watchez hasn't posted here since 1:30 am Wed morning, but he has been on the forum and posting elsewhere, so we must have 'helped' him to understand.....either that or he's busy ordering wood, tomatoes, and machinery:D
Dave
Well Dave, since it took me a little less than two days to own you, I will give some replies below. But I would suggest that you take a class on comprehension instead of spending your time logging my adventures across the internet. Oh, and don't give yourself too much credit - reread your posts if you have to, you have no verbal skills whatsoever.
 
WilleeCue said:
BTW about a year or so ago I posted up a photo of what I thought was the ugliest cue ever made. Perhaps you cant top that one also.



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Is this the pic of the ugliest cue ever made? Funny, it is exactly the same pic of a cue that I posted. At least we finally agree on something. I think you should to make a hot pink one - that would definitely top this as the ugliest cue ever made.
 
cueman said:
Here is one thing I think you are missing in your thought process since you admittedly know nothing about cues. These premade blanks have not been turned to size and you have to turn them down to your custom taper. Yes I said "CUSTOM taper" as it is your own taper. They are far too large to sand to size. They must be precision cut to size. So your above assumption will not work. You think it is easier than it is. They do not have rings on them so you have to install your own style of rings, joint pin, butt plate, weight bolt and bumper as well as applying finish. A final sanding size shaft blank is not ready to go either. You have to install joint, rings, tip and ferrule and sand it or cut and sand it to exact taper you like. Ragu sauce only needs heated up and I can understand since you know little about cue making you assumed producing a finished cue out of a blank was about as easy as heating a can of spagetti sauce, but it is much more complicated than that. You have to be capable of building a cue from scratch out of a single piece of wood to have the skills to make a cue out of a oversized blank. And to hold the points anywhere close to even, you have to be skilled beyond that point. So in my book Varney and anyone else using blanks are real cuemakers and deserve more respect than some of these threads have shown. Your term "PREMADE BLANK" is misleading as it is not premade. It is glued up and rough turned, not made ready to apply finish to and call a cue as "premade" would imply. There are cue kits and even guitar kits out there that people can assemble with almost no tooling, sand a little, stain and finish and call it their own cue or guitar. That is not what is happening here with a rough blank. But I do understand with your limited knowledge, why you thought so. Now if you want to pursue the "Ragu line" of cues here is the form to buy your blanks in: Everything turned to size with all parts glued on and ready for your finishing touches. That is a "Cue Kit." Varney does not use a cue kit. He simply uses a blank for one step in his cue making process on lower end cues.
To go along with my Ragu analogy, custom taper is the equal to the amount of sauce that a chef would put on a plate of spaghetti. Some use more, some use less. And they still have to boil the spaghetti, so would using Ragu make them a master chef. In your mind and the other blinded posters here, it would. By the way, I can use a lathe - I am quite good at it and it really doesn't take an experts skill. A few hours of practice and I could turn any PREMADE blank down to any custom size.
And again, this thread is not about Varney but if you insist on keep using him as an example of a master cuemaker - this is the guy that can't figure out how to make a cue out of a PREMADE blank in OVER A YEAR. If he was a master chef with a can of Ragu, we would all starve.
 
Send me your address. I will send you a premade blank so that you can build a cue on your lathe. I'm anxious to see the results.
 
watchez, i agree with you 100%

you know nothing about cues. i just read the entire thread and i will also include imo you know nothing about respect. if you ask a question and someone tries to help you, just accept the information. chuck
 
watchez said:
Is this the pic of the ugliest cue ever made? Funny, it is exactly the same pic of a cue that I posted. At least we finally agree on something. I think you should to make a hot pink one - that would definitely top this as the ugliest cue ever made.

Oh No ... not at all.
I am sure you will agree his one is much more ugly.

BTW ... it is for sale at Robin Adair's custom pro pool shop here in Corpus Christi, Texas.
 
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watchez said:
By the way, I can use a lathe - I am quite good at it and it really doesn't take an experts skill. A few hours of practice and I could turn any PREMADE blank down to any custom size.

I am sure you can use a lathe ... I have been saying for years that making a cue is not all that hard. The trick is learning enough to make a good one.

By pre-made shaft do you mean one that is almost ready for the final taper profile?
A lot of custom cue makers buy them as one inch dowels.
Of course mother nature is the REAL maker of the Maple shaft.

I know a lot of people have been responding to your post here.
I hope you are getting what you came here for.
If not drop me a PM and I will try to help out as best can.

Willee - the humble barefoot cue maker here in Corpus Christi, Texas and creator of the ugliest cue in the world.
 
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I am sorry, but my green lucite Willee is not the ugliest cue ever made. I bought it because i liked it. Now that it has been reposted after many years, I am jacking the price up another $50.00. Thanks Willee.
 
WilleeCue said:
Oh No ... not at all.
I am sure you will agree his one is much more ugly.

BTW ... it is for sale at Robin Adair's custom pro pool shop here in Corpus Christi, Texas.
Did you core this cue with clear Lucite?
 
watchez said:
Well Dave, since it took me a little less than two days to own you, I will give some replies below. But I would suggest that you take a class on comprehension instead of spending your time logging my adventures across the internet. Oh, and don't give yourself too much credit - reread your posts if you have to, you have no verbal skills whatsoever.
Is that the best you can come up with after a day and a half? It only took you 2 days to insult and ridicule some of the most respected cuemakers on this board, you not only know nothing about cuebuilding, but you seem to know even less about the prominent people who make them.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand the lines about comprehension and verbal skills, everyone else understood me, and the points I was making....Are you an english teacher by chance??
Dave



edited for 2 spelling errors, don't want bad marks for bad spelling...
 
watchez said:
And again, this thread is not about Varney but if you insist on keep using him as an example of a master cuemaker - this is the guy that can't figure out how to make a cue out of a PREMADE blank in OVER A YEAR. If he was a master chef with a can of Ragu, we would all starve.
I think the real purpose behind the thread has become clearer now, no 'help' was really being requested after all.
thread done.
Dave
 
watchez said:
To go along with my Ragu analogy, custom taper is the equal to the amount of sauce that a chef would put on a plate of spaghetti. Some use more, some use less. And they still have to boil the spaghetti, so would using Ragu make them a master chef. In your mind and the other blinded posters here, it would. By the way, I can use a lathe - I am quite good at it and it really doesn't take an experts skill. A few hours of practice and I could turn any PREMADE blank down to any custom size.
And again, this thread is not about Varney but if you insist on keep using him as an example of a master cuemaker - this is the guy that can't figure out how to make a cue out of a PREMADE blank in OVER A YEAR. If he was a master chef with a can of Ragu, we would all starve.
I did not know I presented anyone as a master cuemaker. But you have said this has nothng to do with Varney but the tone of this post shows it really does. Don't clain to know nothing at all about cues and then disagree with everything anyone who does know something about cues has to say. If you don't cut the tree down and dry the wood yourself, someone did some work to the piece of wood. So buying a bowl blank and cutting it into a bowl in your analogy would cease to make you a bowl maker. Or buying hollow pen blanks would mean you are not a pen maker. Or buying colored laminated wood and making it into something would be Ragu pens or whatever. It seems you really came on here to smear one cuemakers name and start a fuss instead of getting the education you pretended to want. You have now got both your fuss and education so this thread has ceased to profit.
 
I'm still waiting for your address.

I will buy you a full splice blank and I will send you everything you need to build a cue (rings, phenolic joint and butt collars, joint pin, a shaft dowel, ferrule, a tip and a square piece of wood to use for the butt section). You claim to be an award winning woodworker, I'd like to see some of your work.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I'm still waiting for your address.

I will buy you a full splice blank and I will send you everything you need to build a cue (rings, phenolic joint and butt collars, joint pin, a shaft dowel, ferrule, a tip and a square piece of wood to use for the butt section). You claim to be an award winning woodworker, I'd like to see some of your work.


I'll be your Huckleberry
 
WilleeCue said:
Oh No ... not at all.
I am sure you will agree his one is much more ugly.

BTW ... it is for sale at Robin Adair's custom pro pool shop here in Corpus Christi, Texas.

Another Space age cue. How is the hit?
 
Tony Zinzola said:
Send me your address. I will send you a premade blank so that you can build a cue on your lathe. I'm anxious to see the results.

Address sent Tony, I am just a hack but I think that I can build one!! Oh and by the way, I would be proud to make a cue from one of your Blanks, I have never seen one I did not love!!!:thumbup:
 
I don't know why you could consider yourself a hack. It looks to me like you do good work and probably know a lot more about cues than most of the posters here, myself included.

I wouldn't send him one of my blanks, that would involve too much effort on my part for something that will likely end up trash.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I don't know why you could consider yourself a hack. It looks to me like you do good work and probably know a lot more about cues than most of the posters here, myself included.

I wouldn't send him one of my blanks, that would involve too much effort on my part for something that will likely end up trash.

Thanks for the kind words, I do have a working knowledge about cues in general. However, your ability is far beyond mine where building is concerned. I only hope I can build cues as nice as yours some day in the future!!!!

Have a good night Tony!!!
 
WilleeCue said:
Be sure to get my name right on your list.
It is WILLEE ... shortened from my name ... William Lee
If you need more help you can find the correct spelling in the second edition of the Blue Book Of Pool Cues or on my website.
www.willeecue.com

Thanks and good luck with your project.

Love the pens
 
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