I know nothing about cues - help me understand

watchez said:
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Willee - can you do this? In mother of pearl or wood only?

I have done stars in pool cues and pens.
Material dont matter as long as it is machinable.
Sharp points require a bit more hand work.
The pens are real cnc cut inlays.
In the photo the top pen is mother of pearl the bottom is ivory.
In the cue if the butt had been Ebony then the stars would have been considered sharp pointed inlays as you would not see the black epoxy.
Actually, they are just an outline filled in with black epoxy giving the illusion of sharp pointed stars with a rounded point black veneer.
Its an old trick to cut a big sloppy pocket in Ebony, fill it with black epoxy, and shove in the sharp pointed inlay piece
Hope that does not give away any old secrets.

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watchez said:
First of all - Quality can be high or low.

Quality is all relative to an individual. What is high quality to someone is maybe low quality to someone else. For example, let's look at quality of life. To a 3rd world person, living in a grass hut - a tin roof over his head instead of grass would be high quality of life. To someone in the USA, it wouild be a big screen HD TV.

Also, when you talk about quality - how can Willee's plastic cue ARGUABLY be better than a wooden one. Is the only factor of quality if it will warp or not? Does the hit of the cue matter in the quality?

Quality is just as subjective and not a fact.

I suggest you either buy a dictionary or go to dictionary.com before you attempt to discuss anything further with me.

Makes me think of a joke -

Have you heard about the new Polish dictionary? It has an index.


qual?i?ty Audio Help /ˈkwɒlɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kwol-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ties, adjective
?noun 1. an essential or distinctive characteristic, property, or attribute: the chemical qualities of alcohol.
2. character or nature, as belonging to or distinguishing a thing: the quality of a sound.
3. character with respect to fineness, or grade of excellence: food of poor quality; silks of fine quality.
4. high grade; superiority; excellence: wood grain of quality.
5. a personality or character trait: kindness is one of her many good qualities.
6. native excellence or superiority.
7. an accomplishment or attainment.
8. good or high social position: a man of quality.
9. the superiority or distinction associated with high social position.
10. Acoustics. the texture of a tone, dependent on its overtone content, that distinguishes it from others of the same pitch and loudness.
11. Phonetics. the tonal color, or timbre, that characterizes a particular vowel sound.
12. Logic. the character of a proposition as affirmative or negative.
13. Thermodynamics. the proportion or percentage of vapor in a mixture of liquid and vapor, as wet steam.
14. social status or position.
15. a person of high social position: He's quality, that one is.
?adjective 16. of or having superior quality: quality paper.
17. producing or providing products or services of high quality or merit: a quality publisher.
18. of or occupying high social status: a quality family.
19. marked by a concentrated expenditure of involvement, concern, or commitment: Counselors are urging that working parents try to spend more quality time with their children.

Lucky for me, I have good comprehension so your smoke screen isn't going to work. Unluckily for me I can't copy and paste all the words definitions as you have due to a limited number of allowable characters so if you want to look up the words in all caps, they would help you understand.

Quality is something that can be measured. Can it be relative? Sure. But then so can just about everything in life, thus Einstein's theory being applied to almost everything these days. Saying a diamond is hard isn't an opinion, but it is RELATIVE. If you don't know about anything better, then the best you know of is high. That doesn't make it preferential. Preference is an opinion. You can *like* something low in quality over something high in quality. That's your PREFERENCE.

I stated why Willee's cue is one of quality, but since you seem to have missed it, I'll repeat it:
"because the workmanship is there, and the execution is there."(FACTUAL)

The rest is an opinion because as I stated, it is ARGUABLY a better (opinion) cue because of humidity being a non-factor.

Is it pretty? I don't think so, but apparently some folks like it since he can't keep them in stock. I don't think the hit of the cue matters in the quality, as hit *is* subjective. What you think is a nice hit I may hate. Or we may think the cue hits horrible, and Efren may think it's the best thing since sliced bread. I don't want anyone to judge your cue by the way it hits because that is all opinion. I want them to look at your work and say, "Does the taper stay true the entire length or are there waves? Is the pin straight? Does the shaft flop like a clubbed baby seal? Is there a lip or gap between the shaft and the ferrule? Does something 'buzz' or click when you hit the cue ball?" These are MEASURABLE (thus factual, if relative. A meter is large compared to a millimeter, but is very small compared to a kilometer.) items in the production of a cue. This is where execution, patience, knowledge, and attention to detail all come into play.

Perhaps I'm being petty, as everyone else seems to be kissing and making up, but I've never liked the tone of this thread as I see it as being quite disrespectful to people who have put in a ton of time and effort to something they love. And just for the record, I did go to Dictionary.com because I almost misspelled measurable as measureable.
 
shakes said:
And just for the record, I did go to Dictionary.com because I almost misspelled measurable as measureable.
Glad I could show you something. Everytime you use that website, make sure you think of me.

And again, people think I am being disrespectful but I am not. I like to watch things that I know I could never do - such as the X games or Circus Soleil. Those type of things impress me. Or someone that can paint a picture or do an ice sculpture. But when there are so many people, and there seems to be an explosion lately, touting themselves as cuemakers I think they are the ones being disrespectful to those that actually build the entire cue and those that have devoted their lives to doing it. I honestly had no knowledge of what a full splice pre made blank was til this thread. That is why I asked.

People who say I am disrespectful - you, Tommyd1, Dave38 -are people that really don't know what respect is or who deserves it. Again, go to my favorite website dictionary.com .

Lastly, I respect many people but suck up to none. I am sure you know the difference.
 
Hmm...I can't believe the views on this thread. Must be something here that I can take away after reading all these posts. What do you guys think, you have someone mocking all cuemakers....saying you don't know the meaning of the word "quick" and he's out to prove that he'll be the first! It seem he's off to a poor start though :), how long has it been since he had the blank?)

Btw, I have a few specials on ebay on full splice blanks...just in case you mess up your first one. After this project...you might also want to consider some of the special that I have on Custom Cues from all levels including one of my own..."Cuemaster98" cue. I have this special cue that is so straight and well balance that it can stand on it's butt!!! serious...got picture to prove it. Good luck with the project.

Here's the pics:
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Regards,
Duc.
 
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Sometimes you can really make me laugh. I have dictionary.com saved as one of my search engines in the pull down bar in firefox. I ASSURE you that you did not show it to me. I know what respect is, and I know how to show it. I can respect someone without liking them, and I do know the difference between between showing someone respect and not sucking up to them.

I do not like someone bullying other people because of something they may or may not have, whether it's money, knowledge, intelligence, or *comprehension*. There is always someone who will have more, and even if you do, that doesn't mean you can't learn something from someone who has less. There are going to be people who are disrespectful to every profession, and there are going to be people who try to take shortcuts in every profession. Look at the folks who get pounded for their practices here every day, I won't name any names, but I'm sure at least a couple come to your mind immediately. It may take a little while, but it's gonna catch up to them. There are those here that started with prebuilt blanks for purposes I have outlined before, BUT they acknowledged to the customer up front what they were getting. Are the rest shady? Absolutely. But to be honest, a lot of business people got to where they are today by being shady. In a capitalist society, that's just the way it works, unfortunately.

Everytime you have tried to show me something in regards to something I don't know, I have proven your arguments woefully inadequate. I will bow out now as I think your actions with the cue needs to do the rest of your talking and I'm taking away from the end result. Good luck to you, I hope you continue to show the respect you think you are, and maybe you'll earn and learn to show a little more in the process of this undertaking.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hmm...I can't believe the views on this thread. Must be something here that I can take away after reading all these posts. What do you guys think, you have someone mocking all cuemakers...
Duc.

Well Duc, you may be right as the tone sure started out that way.
And some did replied right back in the same tone.
I was tempted to slam him also, but ya know ... I have done that in the past and all it ever lead to was another computer fight.
I think that more has been learned from the respectful communication that many are showing here than a word war ending with another locked out thread.

Watches has responded by offering to do the deed and by doing so he will gain knowledge about something that interests almost all of us that are here reading this.
It is possible he will find he has a knack and a desire to try his hand at more complex cue making projects.
He might be the one that develops the next big thing in pool equipment ... someone will.
Even if he still believes what he said is true after this is over at least he will be speaking from a position of first hand knowledge.
Had Tony took offense and responded with a negative comment then none of this would be happening. Instead he chose the higher road and offered friendship and respect. I was impressed by that.

I think most people here are taking the higher road in this thread and I like that ...:thumbup:
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hmm...I can't believe the views on this thread. Must be something here that I can take away after reading all these posts. What do you guys think, you have someone mocking all cuemakers....saying you don't know the meaning of the word "quick" and he's out to prove that he'll be the first! It seem he's off to a poor start though :), how long has it been since he had the blank?)Regards,
Duc.

Again until you learn how to comprehend higher than a fourth grader, please do not post in my thread, to me or about me. I'll tell you what, if you don't believe I have been in Indy all summer - how bout I post the hotel receipts and for every one I post, you match the price on the receipt?
 
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LOLOL!!! Now that's funny....:D Ah...Comprehension...you will need to enlighten me on that one when you finish your project. It's funny how you seem to be the only one that comprehend everything but not anyone else :embarrassed2: Until then please spend some more time to comprehend "your project" because it doesn't sound like it's going anywhere right now. Also, maybe to increase one comprehension further, may I suggest you try to comprehend "your" own thread and what people are trying to tell you very nicely. I'm sure you comprehend all of this ;) Good Luck and keep us posted.

Btw, remember my special for full splice blank on ebay (once in a lifetime deal)...when you fully comprehend the project...you may want more blanks...it's addictive. Don't let this bug bite you...you'll be up all night!

Regards,
Duc.

watchez said:
Again until you learn how to comprehend higher than a fourth grader, please do not post in my thread, to me or about me. I'll tell you what, if you don't believe I have been in Indy all summer - how bout I post the hotel receipts and for every one I post, you match the price on the receipt?
 
LOLOL!!! Now that's funny....:D Ah...Comprehesion...you will need to enlighten me on that one when you finish your project. It's funny how you seem to be the only one that comprehend everything but not anyone else :embarrassed2: Until then please spend some more time to comprehend "your project" because it doesn't sound like it's going anywhere right now. Also, maybe to increase one comprehension further, may I suggest you try to comprehend "your" own thread and what people are trying to tell you very nicely. I'm sure you comprehend all of this ;) Good Luck and keep us posted.

Btw, remember my special for full splice blank on ebay (once in a lifetime deal...when you fully comprehend the project...you may want more blanks...it's additive. Don't let this bug bite you...you'll be up all night!

Regards,
Duc.

watchez said:
Again until you learn how to comprehend higher than a fourth grader, please do not post in my thread, to me or about me. I'll tell you what, if you don't believe I have been in Indy all summer - how bout I post the hotel receipts and for every one I post, you match the price on the receipt?
 
Hi Willee,

I'm with you guys on this one :wink: .....I'm just trying to have some fun and recoup my cost for reading all these posts. The viewership on this thread hopefully will help cover my time before this "project" starts :).

Somehow, I just still don't like tone and attitude from this "Grasshopper"...you want to learn just ask...why mask it? It's probably a better experience for all of us I think. Very interesting project nevertheless. I'm done here...but will be reading...really have to spend some time to fix some of my cues.

Regards,
Duc.

WilleeCue said:
Well Duc, you may be right as the tone sure started out that way.
And some did replied right back in the same tone.
I was tempted to slam him also, but ya know ... I have done that in the past and all it ever lead to was another computer fight.
I think that more has been learned from the respectful communication that many are showing here than a word war ending with another locked out thread.

Watches has responded by offering to do the deed and by doing so he will gain knowledge about something that interests almost all of us that are here reading this.
It is possible he will find he has a knack and a desire to try his hand at more complex cue making projects.
He might be the one that develops the next big thing in pool equipment ... someone will.
Even if he still believes what he said is true after this is over at least he will be speaking from a position of first hand knowledge.
Had Tony took offense and responded with a negative comment then none of this would be happening. Instead he chose the higher road and offered friendship and respect. I was impressed by that.

I think most people here are taking the higher road in this thread and I like that ...:thumbup:
 
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I did look at your website and the premade full splice blanks you sell are a more complete product than what Tony Z shipped me. They cost more too but I am sure that I could charge more to a buyer using one of your pre made blanks. Makes me think after seeing your website that fewer than 20% of all cuemakers are really making their own cues. You can buy blanks with veneers, silver rings, 8 points, butt sleeve. Amazing. And these are even mostly turned down more than the ones that Tony sent me. I can't stop laughing.
 
Ok I got some pics of the parts that Tony Z sent me. The premade full splice is not all that pretty. There is a huge black grain thru the length of the blank.

The ferrules seem kinda short too. And I am not a big fan of the pin or bumper. Not sure what type of tip he sent me, seems like some kind of layered tip.

This is not to say that I don't appreciate what Tony Z sent me and went out of his way to do.

If anyone wants the cue in it's current condition, I will sell it for $195.00 plus shipping. j/k :eek:

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watchez said:
Ok I got some pics of the parts that Tony Z sent me. The premade full splice is not all that pretty. There is a huge black grain thru the length of the blank.

The ferrules seem kinda short too. And I am not a big fan of the pin or bumper. Not sure what type of tip he sent me, seems like some kind of layered tip.

This is not to say that I don't appreciate what Tony Z sent me and went out of his way to do.

If anyone wants the cue in it's current condition, I will sell it for $195.00 plus shipping. j/k :eek:

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Good looking blank, the points look fairly even.:)

With regards to the "parts" it looks like you might have gotten more than I would have bargained for. BTW, it's okay to have stuff left over as long as it isn't the joint screw, tip or ferrule:thumbup:

Seriously, have fun with your project and best of luck!!

(you might want to keep BUSS'S # handy)
 
looks like a fine kit to me

watchez said:
Ok I got some pics of the parts that Tony Z sent me. The premade full splice is not all that pretty. There is a huge black grain thru the length of the blank.

The ferrules seem kinda short too. And I am not a big fan of the pin or bumper. Not sure what type of tip he sent me, seems like some kind of layered tip.

This is not to say that I don't appreciate what Tony Z sent me and went out of his way to do.

If anyone wants the cue in it's current condition, I will sell it for $195.00 plus shipping. j/k :eek:

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would make a very pretty cue(in my eyes)
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Willee,

I'm with you guys on this one :wink: .....I'm just trying to have some fun and recoup my cost for reading all these posts. The viewership on this thread hopefully will help cover my time before this "project" starts :).

Somehow, I just still don't like tone and attitude from this "Grasshopper"...you want to learn just ask...why mask it?

I understand, Duc. No ill will from this end.

I have been looking at your full splice blanks.
They look nice and your price is good.
I doubt you will have them long.
Its summertime now and when the winter indoor sports pick up you will probably sell out.
I think I will pick some up for my winter building session.
 
watchez said:
Ok I got some pics of the parts that Tony Z sent me. The premade full splice is not all that pretty. There is a huge black grain thru the length of the blank.

If anyone wants the cue in it's current condition, I will sell it for $195.00 plus shipping. j/k :eek:

The black grain gives it some character and in my eyes is a plus.

Wow ... that is about as close to a cue kit as I have seen offered for sale.
Nothing to do but add the glue and assemble it ... of course I am being a bit facetious.
There is a LOT of work to do before that cue ever hits a ball.

What pin would you rather use?
 
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WilleeCue said:
What pin would you rather use?

I am pretty sure that I would use the silver rings so the pin should match in color. I'll make a trip to Home Depot and see what they have. Seems like I could pick up a pin there.

The short ferrule reminds me of the billiard cues that Harry Sims used to make out of house cues and sell in the pool room. I will have to locate a longer ferrule.
 
watchez said:
I am pretty sure that I would use the silver rings so the pin should match in color. I'll make a trip to Home Depot and see what they have. Seems like I could pick up a pin there.

The short ferrule reminds me of the billiard cues that Harry Sims used to make out of house cues and sell in the pool room. I will have to locate a longer ferrule.

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watchez said:
I did look at your website and the premade full splice blanks you sell are a more complete product than what Tony Z shipped me. They cost more too but I am sure that I could charge more to a buyer using one of your pre made blanks. Makes me think after seeing your website that fewer than 20% of all cuemakers are really making their own cues. You can buy blanks with veneers, silver rings, 8 points, butt sleeve. Amazing. And these are even mostly turned down more than the ones that Tony sent me. I can't stop laughing.

Very interesting. My question is: How do you correlate or come to the conclusion that only 20% of cue makers build their own cues just because Duc has a web-site that sells blanks? Amazing to have such insight and clarity from referencing one such site. You should play the stock market. With your uncanny ability at forming such definite conclusions from such meager data. You should make a fortune in no time at all.

Dick
 
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