tap tap tapArnot Wadsworth said:
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i must be doing SOMETHING wrong
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Arnot Wadsworth said:
In all due respect.... I have been using loc-tite gel for over 13 yrs and was using duro quick gel for 5yrs. before they changed the formula... I have had ZERO problems with the loc-tite on ferrules or rings... if you take the time to machine the ferrules out to tolerant specs. than you do not have to concern yourself with "impact " issues becasue the the tenon and base of shaft should be handling the transfer of energy through the ferrule and directly to the wood...
And also epoxy resins create a thicker bead "wall" of glue between the two surfaces and since 90% of the "feel" and "playability" is in the shaft I like to keep everything as natural feeling as possible... and as an experienced cuemaker yourself, I'm sure you understand exactly how that is an issue when "hit" is a concern....
Years of experience insure my work is precise as far as the mechanics of the installation goes! I'm sorry to hear you guys can't use superglue with effective results... may I suggest using an excess when applying to insure that there is no air trapped between the 2 surfaces and also reduce the diameter of your glue bead wall down to atleast .2000 because of the thinner properties of cyanoacylates, this should eliminate the "impact" issues your having...
Mabey us guys here in Florida just get lucky.... or mabey there is more than one way to attach a ferrule and rings successfully without having to use 2-part epoxy on everything.... I do use epoxy during construction of major components and pin installations however, once again.... glue is definitley a factor in the feel of the overall hit and sound of the cue!
Now, with that have being said.... this is why every cuemaker is unique to his style and assembly of his work.... I have not corrected any cuemaker's professional skills on here, nor have said my way is better, I'm only sharing successful applications and suggesting a different approach to those having problems or undesireable results...
I will continue to post and offer my extensive experienced advice about repairs and valid applications which at anytime I would be more than happy to explain in great detail if anyone has any questions regarding any method I have posted or any questions about cue repairs and building cues in genreal...
I enclose my phone # on just about every post, just to validate my identity as a professional and to reassure those that this is not a "hobby" to me, and for anyone to call anytime if they need answers or suggestions regarding their plight....
Once again, this is a great website and I enjoy talking to ALL of you... so let's keep the gloves off and the retorts civil !
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827
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BHQ said:
Well then my other question is to you is: what type of wood sealer are you using under your clearcoat, is it an oil or water base.... this can be a factor in the equation if there is a chemical reaction with the glues as well as with the urethane clearcoat...
I assume you are having this problem arise after the clearcoat application correct ?
- Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827
glue is definitley a factor in the feel of the overall hit and sound of the cue!
IF it is, then super glue would be a bad example.
Super glue inside the ferrule makes for a nasty sound and has no impact resistance much at all.
Wood glue there would be better imo.
Lighter, bonds to wood better and has more impact absorption than super glue.
IF it is, then super glue would be a bad example.
Super glue inside the ferrule makes for a nasty sound and has no impact resistance much at all.
Wood glue there would be better imo.
Lighter, bonds to wood better and has more impact absorption than super glue.
no sir again, no clear on cue yet. showed up before clearcoat. after i sealed with epoxy it looked worse yet. that's when i posted this thread. it's all good now. problem fixed. exact same procedure as the first time. i still believe, it was just some bleed from that particular ring for whatever reason, i don't know. as i mentioned above somewhere, i usually sand and wipe rings down with thinner. i very well could have got sidetracked or something, i can't remember with 100% certainty, that i did that on that set of rings.WheatCues said:
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JoeyInCali said:
Joey,
the only problem I have experienced with wood glues is that they don't have too much integrety... they seem fine for fixed applications where there is virtually no impact on them such as the "wraps"
I still feel that epoxies and wood glues are too dense and create a false connection between the two surfaces, where cyanoacrylates tend to soak into the surfaces and give a more true connection between the ferrule and tenon... I have had excellent results with loc-tite super glue and to my knowledge Pete Omen and Dennis Searing still use them as well... after all, we are local to each other and knowlege is shared between us !
- Eddie
hope this don't turn into a pissin match over super glue again
there's been many of those on here already
i say , to each thier own
i use it ONLY for two purposes added: oops, thats three
for thin ca
1) to seal ends of wood (porous woods only ), before taking another very fine face cut
2) after boring shaft, i squirt some in there while it's spining to harden wood before tapping, squirt some more in after tapping, blow out with air nozzle
for gel
1) tips only
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I'VE CLOSED UP SOME SERIOUS BATTLESCARS WITH IT
AFTERALL, THE WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF SUPERGLUE
those are MY methods and i have MY reasons for using them
everybody has thier own methods and thier own reasons for those methods
i'm going back to the shop , see ya folks
there's been many of those on here already
i say , to each thier own
i use it ONLY for two purposes added: oops, thats three
for thin ca
1) to seal ends of wood (porous woods only ), before taking another very fine face cut
2) after boring shaft, i squirt some in there while it's spining to harden wood before tapping, squirt some more in after tapping, blow out with air nozzle
for gel
1) tips only
EDITED: MAKE IT 4 APPLICATIONS
I'VE CLOSED UP SOME SERIOUS BATTLESCARS WITH IT
AFTERALL, THE WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF SUPERGLUE
those are MY methods and i have MY reasons for using them
everybody has thier own methods and thier own reasons for those methods
i'm going back to the shop , see ya folks
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no, but when i dug thru the garbage to find the scrap i mixed epoxy on, there was some black stuff in the dried epoxy. using G5. have already had a few private discussions about the pros & cons of G5.WheatCues said:
usually if something wierd happens, it happens to me, i'm used to it
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WheatCues said:
Hi Eddie,
I do not use super glue to glue a ferrule. I never did, and never will, and never told anyone I did. Besides I'd like to see someone get a threaded ferrule all the way on before super glue starts setting.
Dennis Searing
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With due respect Eddie, do you have to divulge other makers' methods who might not be doing the same thing anymore?WheatCues said:
Or could be detrimental to their reputation?
Using superglue on ferrules is just not sound construction any way you paint it.
Superglue was invented to close wounds.
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BHQ said:
That's too funny !!!
I just use a whole heap of of super glue, it and it pisses out the bleed hole in the ferrule and it goes right on... of course it spin the lathe at a low spped in insure constant movement until nearing the final turn then I seat it manually.....
After it happened the first time with me, I learned very quicky how to circumvent the future problem.....
- Eddie
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JoeyInCali said:
What the #%$ is your problem ????
cuemaking is no classified secret !!! I'm not divulging anyones methods to building cues....
G5 is common friggin knowledge and is widely utilized and so is loc-tite gel as well as devcon 2-part epoxy !
You are just one of those guys who have nothing better to do than to crack on someone elses effort.... what have you contributed thusfar ??? besides insults to my and others efforts ????
You are just like Klopec !!!! get over yourself !
- Eddie
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JoeyInCali said:
Joey,
I thought we got passed this crap !
cuemakers evolve.... when they stop, they die out !
I dont mean to be so crass but you really stroke me the wrong way.....
I make mistakes and when I do I account for them... I do not need you to critique me !
We are both cuemakers... you have your techniques and I have mine.... I respect you, why can't you extend the same to me ?
- Eddie Wheat